New LUC as primary download option for Server

[Jiri Eischmann]

Hi,
we're finishing a new-generation Fedora Live USB Creator (see the change:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LUCasPrimaryDownloadable). Currently, we're
planning to use it as the primary download option for Fedora 24 Workstation. It means that
if the user clicks the big button Download at getfedora.org he/she will be offered to
download the USB Live Creator that will download the ISO and create a bootable disk for
him/her. A direct link to an ISO will be in other download options.

I wonder whether the Server working group would be interested in this as well and would
like to have the LUC as the primary download option, too. Fedora Server will be supported
by LUC anyway, so it's just about the changes on the website.

[Dennis Gilmore]

On Thursday, February 18, 2016 11:45:32 AM Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>  Hi,
>  we're finishing a new-generation Fedora Live USB Creator (see the change:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LUCasPrimaryDownloadable).
>  Currently, we're planning to use it as the primary download option for
>  Fedora 24 Workstation. It means that if the user clicks the big button
>  Download at getfedora.org he/she will be offered to download the USB Live
>  Creator that will download the ISO and create a bootable disk for him/her.
>  A direct link to an ISO will be in other download options.
>  
>  I wonder whether the Server working group would be interested in this as
>  well and would like to have the LUC as the primary download option, too.
>  Fedora Server will be supported by LUC anyway, so it's just about the
>  changes on the website. _______________________________________________
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>  server(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail] 
I would say then that Live is a poor choice of name. There is no live versions 
of server, only install media. Perhaps Bootable USB Creator or Linux USB Boot 
Media Creator or something more generic. 

Dennis

[Jiri Eischmann]

That's a good point, Dennis. Keeping the old name was not intentional, we just never
thought about it. We can simply leave out 'live'. Fedora USB Creator seems like a
reasonable name.

[Dan Mossor]

On 02/18/2016 08:28 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>  That's a good point, Dennis. Keeping the old name was not
> intentional, we just never thought about it. We can simply leave out 'live'.
> Fedora USB Creator seems like a reasonable name.
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>  
...but FUC does not lead to an acceptable acronym.

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[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:12:34PM -0600, Dan Mossor wrote:
>  ...but FUC does not lead to an acceptable acronym. 
Not everyting needs to be called by an acronym. Anyway, could be worse!

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Fedora Project Leader

[Chris Murphy]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:12:34PM -0600, Dan Mossor wrote:
> > ...but FUC does not lead to an acceptable acronym.
>
>  Not everyting needs to be called by an acronym. Anyway, could be worse! 
How about heading this one off at the pass?

Fedora Media Creator? FMC?


-- 
Chris Murphy

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 02:28:33PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>  > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:12:34PM -0600, Dan Mossor wrote:
>  > Not everyting needs to be called by an acronym. Anyway, could be worse!
>  How about heading this one off at the pass?
>  Fedora Media Creator? FMC? 
I don't have a large emotional stake in this particular bikeshed, but,
does it create any media other than USB sticks? If it's really the
acroynm that's a worry, how about using FUSBC instead of FUC? Or, ditch
the C and go for writer: FUSBW or FUW. (Because, really, it doesn't
_create_ anything.)


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Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Chris Murphy]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 02:28:33PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:12:34PM -0600, Dan Mossor wrote:
> > > Not everyting needs to be called by an acronym. Anyway, could be worse!
> > How about heading this one off at the pass?
> > Fedora Media Creator? FMC?
>
>  I don't have a large emotional stake in this particular bikeshed, but,
>  does it create any media other than USB sticks? If it's really the
>  acroynm that's a worry, how about using FUSBC instead of FUC? Or, ditch
>  the C and go for writer: FUSBW or FUW. (Because, really, it doesn't
>  _create_ anything.) 
Overwhelmingly USB. It'd include SD/SDHC/SDXC, and anything else you
can dd to, but not optical media.

Now that we're in the post fedup era, something new to snicker at is
fun, so fuc is OK.

-- 
Chris Murphy

[Martin Briza]

You can write SD cards and such, too so the most precise name would be probably Fedora
Media Writer or something like that.

[Matthew Miller]

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 01:02:31PM -0000, Martin Briza wrote:
>  You can write SD cards and such, too so the most precise name would
>  be probably Fedora Media Writer or something like that. 
There we go.

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Jóhann B. Guðmundsson]

On 02/18/2016 11:45 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>  Hi,
>  we're finishing a new-generation Fedora Live USB Creator (see the change:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LUCasPrimaryDownloadable). Currently, we're
> planning to use it as the primary download option for Fedora 24 Workstation. It means that
> if the user clicks the big button Download at getfedora.org he/she will be offered to
> download the USB Live Creator that will download the ISO and create a bootable disk for
> him/her. A direct link to an ISO will be in other download options. 
How are you handling users that are using other operating system and 
linux distributions I mean is this new tool available to all other Linux 
distributions and operating system when the user clicks download and 
does it cover optical media as well or would users that intend to burn 
that image end up having application installed on their system which 
they never use?

Would it not be better to have two buttons, one for download the image 
and another one to download the tool?

[Jiri Eischmann]

Currently, we have versions for Windows, OS X, and Linux (RPM). We're thinking about
providing a DEB package, too. For Windows and Mac users, the situation is pretty clear,
the LUC installer is the best option for them. For Fedora users, I don't think giving
them a bundled RPM would be the best way since they can install it in a much cleaner way
from the official repositories. So maybe giving them instructions how to install LUC on
Fedora and below that a ISO download button in case they really want just an ISO? For
other distributions, an ISO as primary download option would be the best IMO because I
don't think we can ever cover all the distributions out there with LUC.

But I hope it's something the websites team together with our designers could help us
figure out.

Jiri