6:28 a.m.
I just got a new HP Photosmart C5580 which can (among other things)
print on inkjet printable DVDs and CDs. My current goal (probably
hopeless :-) is to tweak the .ppd file for the copy of the printer
I made which defaults to the DVD tray and DVD paper size so that
any application I care to print from will print in the middle
of the DVD (a quest that will probably take years and cost
thousands of lives :-).
My first big mystery came with sample printouts I made of a
hashmark pattern I could use to measure how far off from the
center I am: Both inkscape and gimp print the pattern with
the exact same offsets from the center of the CD, but open
office prints with a completely different offset.
As near as I can tell, I've told every app the page size is
the same and there are no margins. They all print the marks
scaled the same with the same distance between marks, so
does anyone have any clue why open office thinks the center
of the media is in a different place? Is there some obscure
printer setup option I missed somewhere in OO?
Even if I can figure how to tweak the .ppd file, it won't
do much good if different applications use it a different way :-).
7:53 a.m.
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:13:13 -0500
Tom Horsley wrote:
I'm just trying to understand why the heck different apps
don't
print the exact same place when printing to the (supposedly) same
page size (actually open office is the only exception I have
found so far, so maybe open office is just busted).
I think I've concluded that defining a custom paper size is just
plain busted in Open Office. I see lots of existing reports of
people having problems trying to define sizes for non-standard
envelopes and wot-not. Anyway, anyone interested in my complete
results can find them at:
http://home.att.net/~Tom.Horsley/dvdprint/dvd-print.html
I got it to print quite well, but I'm still seeking a way
to make the tweaks universal by having them in the .ppd
file for the printer.
11:18 a.m.
Andrew Haley wrote:
Dan Haskell (mumblyjoe) wrote:
> I'm having the same spelling problem with FireFox with a fresh F10
> (it's not "Fedora Core" any more, right? :)) install. If you right
> click in a text box, at the bottom of the menu is a Languages
> sub-menu. I think that's where you change dictionaries. Mine was set
> to en_NZ by default!
en_NZ dictionary, eh? I'm just thinking about how it would differ
from other non-US English dictionaries. I can think of "jandals",
"dags"[1], "kumara", "puckeroo", and a few others. :-)
Andrew.
[1] Yeah, I know this one is actually Middle English.
It looks like they forgot to include the en_US dictionary. I guess
it uses en_NZ when it can not find it.
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11:12 a.m.
Dan Haskell (mumblyjoe) wrote:
I'm having the same spelling problem with FireFox with a fresh
F10
(it's not "Fedora Core" any more, right? :)) install. If you right
click in a text box, at the bottom of the menu is a Languages
sub-menu. I think that's where you change dictionaries. Mine was set
to en_NZ by default!
en_NZ dictionary, eh? I'm just thinking about how it would differ
from other non-US English dictionaries. I can think of "jandals",
"dags"[1], "kumara", "puckeroo", and a few others. :-)
Andrew.
[1] Yeah, I know this one is actually Middle English.
6:34 a.m.
On Sat, 2009-01-31 at 12:53 +0100, Dan Haskell (mumblyjoe) wrote:
I'm having the same spelling problem with FireFox with a fresh
F10
(it's not "Fedora Core" any more, right? :)) install. If you right
click in a text box, at the bottom of the menu is a Languages
sub-menu. I think that's where you change dictionaries. Mine was set
to en_NZ by default!
I'd always turned off spell checking in the browser (spell checking as
you type, in the preferences), but had a look at that, after reading
what you said.
On mine, the first language on the list is ticked,"en_HK," which doesn't
bear any semblance to my locale (en-AU), nor the languages set elsewhere
in Firefox (en-AU, en-US, en). I can't see the logic in how they've
picked the spell checking language.
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I'm having the same spelling problem with FireFox with a fresh F10 (it's not
"Fedora Core" any more, right? :)) install. If you right click in a text box, at
the bottom of the menu is a Languages sub-menu. I think that's where you change
dictionaries. Mine was set to en_NZ by default!
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9:38 a.m.
On 01/30/2009 10:55 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:29:29 -0430
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I'm pretty sure the default for FF is US spelling.
Not in my F10 firefox: It keeps telling me words like "color"
are misspelled and wants me to use colour instead. (Just
like claws-mail is also doing now, but I think they are
all hooked into the same spell checker).
Could this be related to your locale setting?
poc
12:04 p.m.
Tom Horsley wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:29:29 -0430
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I'm pretty sure the default for FF is US spelling.
Not in my F10 firefox: It keeps telling me words like "color"
are misspelled and wants me to use colour instead. (Just
like claws-mail is also doing now, but I think they are
all hooked into the same spell checker).
I discovered that my Thunderbird somehow got set to "en_NZ" and not
"en_US" at some point. I fixed it, and it "got better". I never had
that problem with Firefox.
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11:16 a.m.
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley <tom.horsley(a)att.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:41:42 -0700
Craig White wrote:
> agreed - mine too (en_ZW)...was upgraded probably at least from FC-5 =>
> through each successive version to now F10
I haven't been upgrading fedora, but I have been preserving my home
directory with its copy of ~/.mozilla/, so something about that
history left me with weird spell settings when f10 came along.
I can confirm that at least in my experience that Firefox in F10
ignores your locale choice. I pre-upgraded two computers from F9 ->
F10 and did a fresh install over F8 -> F10 (preserving my /home
partition) and all had the problem with Firefox using the wrong
dictionary.
Richard
11:06 a.m.
Richard Shaw wrote:
I use Glabels for DVD/CD printing. If you like I can send you a
template that I already spent hours tweaking in to save you the
trouble. Also, if you haven't done so already, you need to setup a
separate printer cue for the DVD tray/caddie. This helps work around
the fact that not all programs will allow you to change tray settings
on the fly.
Richard
Can you send me a copy as well? I just got a HP Photosmart D5460
yesterday, and I have not started on Glabels for CD/DVD printing
yet. (The CDs I ordered should be here today.)
TIA
Mikkel
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11:09 a.m.
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:41:42 -0700
Craig White wrote:
agreed - mine too (en_ZW)...was upgraded probably at least from FC-5
=>
through each successive version to now F10
I haven't been upgrading fedora, but I have been preserving my home
directory with its copy of ~/.mozilla/, so something about that
history left me with weird spell settings when f10 came along.
10:41 a.m.
On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 11:00 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:08:57 -0430
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Could this be related to your locale setting?
I don't know for sure. All was US English until I installed Fedora 10.
I actually did find an about:config dictionary setting which was
(for some reason) en_ZW in firefox. I manually changed it to en_US
and that seemed to do the trick :-).
----
agreed - mine too (en_ZW)...was upgraded probably at least from FC-5 =>
through each successive version to now F10
Craig
10:07 a.m.
Around 04:00pm on Friday, January 30, 2009 (UK time), Tom Horsley scrawled:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:08:57 -0430
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Could this be related to your locale setting?
I don't know for sure. All was US English until I installed Fedora 10.
What is the output from the locale command?
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10 a.m.
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:08:57 -0430
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Could this be related to your locale setting?
I don't know for sure. All was US English until I installed Fedora 10.
I actually did find an about:config dictionary setting which was
(for some reason) en_ZW in firefox. I manually changed it to en_US
and that seemed to do the trick :-).
9:25 a.m.
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:29:29 -0430
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
I'm pretty sure the default for FF is US spelling.
Not in my F10 firefox: It keeps telling me words like "color"
are misspelled and wants me to use colour instead. (Just
like claws-mail is also doing now, but I think they are
all hooked into the same spell checker).
8:34 a.m.
On 01/30/2009 09:43 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:23:00 -0430
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Have you tried glabels instead of OO? It's a special-purpose app for
> labels which might suit your needs better.
Nah, I'm just stubborn :-). My goal is to tweak the .ppd file
so everything works. I'm sure I could use a special app like glabels
to print with a special template, but it bothers me that I should
have to do that.
I'm just trying to understand why the heck different apps don't
print the exact same place when printing to the (supposedly) same
page size (actually open office is the only exception I have
found so far, so maybe open office is just busted).
I'll have to experiment with OO just printing to normal paper
as well and see if OO does everything differently.
Silly question: you do realize that "normal paper" for OO is A4, right?
poc
8:13 a.m.
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:23:00 -0430
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Have you tried glabels instead of OO? It's a special-purpose app
for
labels which might suit your needs better.
Nah, I'm just stubborn :-). My goal is to tweak the .ppd file
so everything works. I'm sure I could use a special app like glabels
to print with a special template, but it bothers me that I should
have to do that.
I'm just trying to understand why the heck different apps don't
print the exact same place when printing to the (supposedly) same
page size (actually open office is the only exception I have
found so far, so maybe open office is just busted).
I'll have to experiment with OO just printing to normal paper
as well and see if OO does everything differently.
7:53 a.m.
On 01/30/2009 07:58 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
I just got a new HP Photosmart C5580 which can (among other things)
print on inkjet printable DVDs and CDs. My current goal (probably
hopeless :-) is to tweak the .ppd file for the copy of the printer
I made which defaults to the DVD tray and DVD paper size so that
any application I care to print from will print in the middle
of the DVD (a quest that will probably take years and cost
thousands of lives :-).
My first big mystery came with sample printouts I made of a
hashmark pattern I could use to measure how far off from the
center I am: Both inkscape and gimp print the pattern with
the exact same offsets from the center of the CD, but open
office prints with a completely different offset.
As near as I can tell, I've told every app the page size is
the same and there are no margins. They all print the marks
scaled the same with the same distance between marks, so
does anyone have any clue why open office thinks the center
of the media is in a different place? Is there some obscure
printer setup option I missed somewhere in OO?
Even if I can figure how to tweak the .ppd file, it won't
do much good if different applications use it a different way :-).
Have you tried glabels instead of OO? It's a special-purpose app for
labels which might suit your needs better.
poc
7:52 a.m.
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Craig White <craigwhite(a)azapple.com> wrote:
On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 07:28 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
> I just got a new HP Photosmart C5580 which can (among other things)
> print on inkjet printable DVDs and CDs. My current goal (probably
> hopeless :-) is to tweak the .ppd file for the copy of the printer
> I made which defaults to the DVD tray and DVD paper size so that
> any application I care to print from will print in the middle
> of the DVD (a quest that will probably take years and cost
> thousands of lives :-).
>
> My first big mystery came with sample printouts I made of a
> hashmark pattern I could use to measure how far off from the
> center I am: Both inkscape and gimp print the pattern with
> the exact same offsets from the center of the CD, but open
> office prints with a completely different offset.
>
> As near as I can tell, I've told every app the page size is
> the same and there are no margins. They all print the marks
> scaled the same with the same distance between marks, so
> does anyone have any clue why open office thinks the center
> of the media is in a different place? Is there some obscure
> printer setup option I missed somewhere in OO?
>
> Even if I can figure how to tweak the .ppd file, it won't
> do much good if different applications use it a different way :-).
----
there is spadmin program
/usr/lib/openoffice.org3/program/spadmin
but I'm not sure you will get any additional tweaks there.
try printing to pdf and then using kpdf or AdobeReader to print it.
I am gathering that you are using a non-standard paper size and that is
where you are having troubles.
Perhaps if you add the paper size to the PPD it might standardize things
- even for OOo
If it were me doing labels, I'd probably be using Inkscape (likely) or
gimp to print them anyway.
You also might want to check out glabels
Craig
I use Glabels for DVD/CD printing. If you like I can send you a
template that I already spent hours tweaking in to save you the
trouble. Also, if you haven't done so already, you need to setup a
separate printer cue for the DVD tray/caddie. This helps work around
the fact that not all programs will allow you to change tray settings
on the fly.
Richard
7:38 a.m.
On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 07:28 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
I just got a new HP Photosmart C5580 which can (among other things)
print on inkjet printable DVDs and CDs. My current goal (probably
hopeless :-) is to tweak the .ppd file for the copy of the printer
I made which defaults to the DVD tray and DVD paper size so that
any application I care to print from will print in the middle
of the DVD (a quest that will probably take years and cost
thousands of lives :-).
My first big mystery came with sample printouts I made of a
hashmark pattern I could use to measure how far off from the
center I am: Both inkscape and gimp print the pattern with
the exact same offsets from the center of the CD, but open
office prints with a completely different offset.
As near as I can tell, I've told every app the page size is
the same and there are no margins. They all print the marks
scaled the same with the same distance between marks, so
does anyone have any clue why open office thinks the center
of the media is in a different place? Is there some obscure
printer setup option I missed somewhere in OO?
Even if I can figure how to tweak the .ppd file, it won't
do much good if different applications use it a different way :-).
----
there is spadmin program
/usr/lib/openoffice.org3/program/spadmin
but I'm not sure you will get any additional tweaks there.
try printing to pdf and then using kpdf or AdobeReader to print it.
I am gathering that you are using a non-standard paper size and that is
where you are having troubles.
Perhaps if you add the paper size to the PPD it might standardize things
- even for OOo
If it were me doing labels, I'd probably be using Inkscape (likely) or
gimp to print them anyway.
You also might want to check out glabels
Craig
7:26 a.m.
On Friday 30 January 2009 13:10:12 Tom Horsley wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:57:39 +0000
Anne Wilson wrote:
> If that printer is supported by hplip you would be far better off
> installing it. It will already have the facility to handle all the
> features of the printer. OOo of course is a separate matter. They seem
> hell-bent on making printing as awkward as possible.
It was installed via hplip, but that doesn't mean it prints exactly
aligned DVDs :-).
In that case I think you should look out hp's launchpad, where some expert
should be able to a) tell you what's wrong and how to fix it, and b) learn
from it for the next release of their software.
Anne
7:10 a.m.
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:57:39 +0000
Anne Wilson wrote:
If that printer is supported by hplip you would be far better off
installing
it. It will already have the facility to handle all the features of the
printer. OOo of course is a separate matter. They seem hell-bent on making
printing as awkward as possible.
It was installed via hplip, but that doesn't mean it prints exactly
aligned DVDs :-). And OO is definitely another matter - not just printing.
I was trying to just write some multi-colored text the other day,
and it was insanely complex to get the text color to "stick". The
whole group of gnome/OO/evolution developers seem to have been
dropped on their heads one too many times :-).
6:57 a.m.
On Friday 30 January 2009 12:28:53 Tom Horsley wrote:
I just got a new HP Photosmart C5580 which can (among other things)
print on inkjet printable DVDs and CDs. My current goal (probably
hopeless :-) is to tweak the .ppd file for the copy of the printer
I made which defaults to the DVD tray and DVD paper size so that
any application I care to print from will print in the middle
of the DVD (a quest that will probably take years and cost
thousands of lives :-).
My first big mystery came with sample printouts I made of a
hashmark pattern I could use to measure how far off from the
center I am: Both inkscape and gimp print the pattern with
the exact same offsets from the center of the CD, but open
office prints with a completely different offset.
As near as I can tell, I've told every app the page size is
the same and there are no margins. They all print the marks
scaled the same with the same distance between marks, so
does anyone have any clue why open office thinks the center
of the media is in a different place? Is there some obscure
printer setup option I missed somewhere in OO?
Even if I can figure how to tweak the .ppd file, it won't
do much good if different applications use it a different way :-).
If that printer is supported by hplip you would be far better off installing
it. It will already have the facility to handle all the features of the
printer. OOo of course is a separate matter. They seem hell-bent on making
printing as awkward as possible.
Anne
8:59 a.m.
On 01/30/2009 10:18 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:04:42 -0430
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Silly question: you do realize that "normal paper" for OO is A4, right?
Yep, I've seen that before :-). "Normal spelling" is apparently British
English as well (in firefox too).
I'm pretty sure the default for FF is US spelling.
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