Discussion regarding Community Working Group and/or Ombudsman

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 19:10, Brian Pepple <bpepple at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 18:07 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 17:17, Brian Pepple <bpepple at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > When the CWG was formed, it given a one year term with the initial
>> > goal of determining whether a COC/enforcement guidelines were needed,
>> > and then afterwards work on helping to maintain a friendly and
>> > welcoming community. Sadly, somewhere along line, the Board felt the
>> > CWG wasn't need any longer and started discussing disbanding it.
>>
>> Hmm I do not remember a 1 year term being set.. mainly because there
>> were several people who complained that we "the board" were either
>> abrogating our duties by setting up yet another layer of bureaucracy
>> or that the CWG would become the Fedora Board's Secret Police. Most of
>> the concerns voiced after the enforcement policy was published were
>> the same.
>>
>> Because of this my understanding that the CWG was to make
>> recommendations on what the COC/enforcement should be, and the board
>> would then work from there to charter the recommendations into the
>> final working body.
>
> Well, a quick Google search shows that the 10/26/10 Board summary states
> that the CWG has a 1 year term. And frankly, it would have really been
> nice to have known beforehand, that the CWG had this little support from
> the Board because I would not have bothered wasting my time working on
> this.

You are reading a lot of emotional content into my statements that is
not meant to be there, and you seem to be reading my statements as
being that of the board. I am stating as myself what I thought the
events and arguments were and it is quite clear that I was wrong in
what was recorded.

1) If we said it was a 1 year term once the CWG was ratified, then it
is a 1 year term and any talk of disbandment, replacing, reforming etc
is out of place.

2) I am sorry that my memory is crap and I seem to have opened up
another crapstorm here. I won't be running for the board again and I
won't be asking to be appointed to it either.





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Stephen J Smoogen.
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