[Ambassadors] The Future of release names

Tue May 15 20:31:16 UTC 2012

I think the idea of names only with numbers wouldn't be nice. In other
hand i'd like so much to see the fedora releases names like a theme.
Just like Antonio Trande idea.

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Antonio Trande <anto.trande at gmail.com> wrote:
> Not even using the only numbers is possible to identify the Fedora
> improvements in the time, maybe can do that only with its age.
> Actually i see Fedora 16, 17, 18  too detached by its code names (Verne,
> Beefy Miracle, Spherical Cow respectively), as were for the older releases,
> but i respected this tradition.
>
> Is for this reason that i have suggested the Roman Emperors names for
> Fedora.  :)
>
> Creating an imaginary line (Fedora Codename Theme) that connects all the
> releases in the time (in addition to the "cold numbers") , we can identify
> more easily a release in my opinion. Over to match a specific release with
> an its particular feature, for example
>
> Fedora 20 Trajan released  with Grub 3.0, then Fedora 21 Hadrian (Hadrian is
> a successor of Trajan) released with Grub 3.1
>
> Too bizarre ?  :D
>
>
> 2012/5/14 Jukka Palander <jukka at devspain.com>
>>
>> On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 13:29 -0500, inode0 wrote:
>> > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Jukka Palander <jukka at devspain.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 11:58 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>> > >> On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 01:39 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>> > >> > I've put up a wiki page that tries to summarize the answers to the
>> > >> > first two
>> > >> > questions that I've seen circulated on the advisory-board mailing
>> > >> > list and a
>> > >> > link to the only proposal I currently know of (mizmo's proposal to
>> > >> > use
>> > >> > a single theme for all of the new Fedora releases).
>> > >>
>> > >> I didn't see a link to the wiki page here or elsewhere in the thread
>> > >> so:
>> > >>
>> > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Future_Release_Naming
>> > >>
>> > >> If you are interested please add your name to the list so we can move
>> > >> forward.
>> > >>
>> > >> ~m
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I had a thought on this and I would like to ask _why name them at all_
>> > > because we already _number_ them?
>> >
>> > We already name them, so why bother numbering them at all? :)
>>
>>
>> Yes. Completely agree. One (of them) has to go!
>>
>>
>> > > Fedora Name+number or Fedora number+name sounds like having toast on
>> > > toast to me. People will use the number anyhow when discussing things
>> > > around Fedora. Such as "I'm still running Fedora 15" rather than "I'm
>> > > still running Fedora
>> > > fancy-name-where-no-one-remembers-what-release-it-was".
>> >
>> > No one is ever going to remember or use the release name as long as
>> > the Fedora Project on its own website and elsewhere hardly ever
>> > mentions it while sticking Fedora <insert some meaningless number
>> > here> in our faces. If we referred to our releases by name so would
>> > other people.
>>
>>
>> Why they have to (put them to) remember the "release name" when we have
>> an _advantage_ for the number to be remembered _automatically_?
>>
>> Numbers has one very good reason to be in there: By numbering people
>> will know _immediately_ which one is the latest and newest! By naming
>> "no-one" remembers how old the release is until checked from the release
>> history.
>>
>> In example I could not remember which was and when out from from these:
>>
>> -Tettnang
>> -Laughlin
>> -Constantine
>> -Moonshire
>> -Lovelock
>> -Leonidas
>>
>> Just put those _QUICKLY_ in the right order without referring into the
>> page:
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/History_of_Fedora_release_names
>>
>> It is just _soooooooo much_ easier to say that number 14 must be OLD(er)
>> than 16 and that already is without support.
>>
>> Fancy names do not do much good and double naming is completely idiotic.
>>
>>
>> > The release name's purpose is not to be used that way though, it never
>> > has been intended for that as our website demonstrates. The fact that
>> > few people refer to the release name when discussing Fedora isn't
>> > really relevant to whether we should have a release name. It certainly
>> > wasn't the standard of value used prior to now.
>>
>>
>> Why the release name is in there then? ..not for the "website
>> demonstrates" (whatever it means) and not for the discussions (when
>> people _will_ say the _number_ what they are using or suggesting instead
>> than _name_) ??? Please tell me why, why?
>>
>>
>> > John
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>>
>> I strongly suggest that we should go into our own paths and simply throw
>> "naming" to the bin. If other distributions (whatever OS) keep their
>> naming, why should we do the same?
>> We want to be first and in here we can be first to go out from those
>> stupid names. We could (and should) simplify things in here as well.
>>
>> ...and by making things simple for the common users; It really is the
>> Fedora way!
>>
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