[Ambassadors] T-shirt for each F19 release party organizer

[Jiri Eischmann]

John T. Rose píše v Po 06. 05. 2013 v 12:59 -0500:
> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:59 AM, Jiri Eischmann <eischmann at redhat.com> wrote:
> > Ruth Suehle píše v Pá 03. 05. 2013 v 14:06 -0400:
> >> | > I would rather see the ambassadors do something to thank people for
> >> | > contributing that everyone who contributes to Fedora is eligible for.
> >> | > Why should ambassadors get t-shirts when packagers and doc writers and
> >> | > on and on don't?
> >> | >
> >> | > We have some access to funding. Let's spend some of that to thank
> >> | > people for helping Fedora but not limit it to ambassadors.
> >>
> >>
> >> I initially was going to say that I like the idea of rewarding people for doing a little more (like those who throw
> >> release parties), but this is a good point. There are lot of people helping Fedora just as much in other ways.
> >
> > This idea was meant to replace the old reward program for release party
> > organizers which is why it was originally limited to them (btw release
> > party can be organized by any contributor, it's not limited to
> > ambassadors). I have absolutely no problem to include other teams, too.
> > But there are several problems to solve.
> 
> For the record I am against buying dinners and giving trips to FUDCons
> and whatever else to release party organizers as well. Regardless of
> who can in theory organize a release party these goodies are being
> given by ambassadors to other ambassadors for honestly not doing very
> much.

I don't agree with this. I don't know how about parties in NA, but in
EMEA there are parties with over 100 attendees and such events don't
have easy logistics. I personally organized several release parties with
over a hundred attendees (the biggest one had about 140) and it was
quite a lot of work, definitely something that is worth a t-shirts (for
the record, I excluded myself from any reward or contest because I
organized it with the help of Red Hat).

> Compare this effort to that expended by QA or Design release after
> release and there are never any goodies for them. We could be better
> ambassadors internally by giving a thank you to those working hard
> elsewhere in the project. I'd be fully behind an effort to send a
> thank you to the QA team.

As I said, I have no problem to include others, but they have to make a
move. What I hear all the time is that FAmSCo should only take care of
ambassador program and that we're not the emperors of Fedora Project.
What do you think they'd say if we came up with raffles and set rules
for other teams.
I'm OK with helping other teams with production and distribution because
that's what ambassadors have experience with, but they have to do the
rest: set criteria, identify people who qualify for a gift etc.
I personally asked Fedora QA several times if they'd like to send some
goodies to their testing heroes. I heard back that they were not sure if
that was the right way to go. I've been asked several times by people
from different Fedora teams if I could give them some goodies to
recognize a contributor in their team. I never turned them down and gave
them what was available (hats, mugs, stickers,...).
So they're not being left out, but it needs to be their initiative.
FAmSCo and ambassadors are here to help, not to dictate rules and force
raffles upon other teams.

Jiri

> > Criteria: who's going to get a T-shirt? With the release party reward
> > program, it's very simple: everyone who is an event owner of a release
> > party.
> 
> How about everyone who contributes a design for wallpaper? How about
> everyone who participates in a test day? It isn't that hard to find
> easy ways to identify people outside of the ambassador group.
> 
> > So every team/spin/... which wants to be involved needs to define some
> > criteria, or we can simply give T-shirts away to anyone who applies and
> > has at least some sign of contribution until we run out of T-shirts.
> 
> We have raffled off t-shirts to contributors in the past. The
> logistics of any large scale thank you program is going to be
> difficult. But I don't see any real impediment to thanking one group
> this time and another next time either.
> 
> > Distribution&Cost: with the release parties, the distribution of
> > T-shirts is fairly easy and cheap, at least in some of the regions. In
> > EMEA, we send packages with media and swag to every release party, so
> > distributing T-shirts is just a matter of including them in the
> > packages. Sending T-shirts to various contributors would be logistically
> > more complicated and expensive because we'd have to send them in extra
> > packages. So are we going to have enough money not only for T-shirt
> > production, but also for shipping which won't land in this quarter for
> > sure? Who is going to package and send tens or hundreds of T-shirts?
> 
> Well, ambassadors in NA did exactly that for the t-shirt raffle. As I
> said before though I do agree this doesn't scale. But at the same
> scale we have here we could I am sure give t-shirts to the QA or
> Design contributors instead of to ambassadors for a change.