[Ambassadors] T-shirt for each F19 release party organizer

[Jiri Eischmann]

John T. Rose píše v Út 07. 05. 2013 v 09:47 -0500:
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Jiri Eischmann <eischmann at redhat.com> wrote:
> > The problem is that we obviously don't have sufficient resources to
> > "thank with a gift" everyone who contributed. So you have to make a
> > criteria, to make a line and that always will be sensitive. Just look at
> > the Fedora 19 Alpha testing heroes. It's just a list of most active
> > testers and immediately after they published it, people complained that
> > they weren't on the list because they ended up under the line (they
> > obviously could list everyone who reported a bug). And now imagine that
> > FAmSCo, that should only take care of Fedora ambassadors, would start
> > raffles across the whole Fedora Project and make such lines. I just
> > don't feel empowered to do it.
> 
> I'm sorry but this is frustrating because you keep changing the goal.
> Obviously we can't thank everyone by sending them shirts. Obviously
> when we give things including just saying thanks to some others will
> feel slighted. We can't fix either of those problems so either we stop
> dwelling on them or we do nothing.
> 
> I disagree with the premise that FAmSCo should only take care of
> Fedora ambassadors very strongly. 

I'm not saying it's my opinion. It's just my experience that every time
FAmSCo steps a bit outside its clear competencies I hear people complain
that we control something we shouldn't. That's why I'm careful about it,
maybe too much.

> FAmNA did in fact run a worldwide
> t-shirt raffle already. I don't recall the requirements, probably
> CLA+1 or something similar. It was not difficult and no one complained
> about it being unfair. FAmNA felt empowered to do that then and still
> does. We give t-shirts away to random people at events all the time
> and giving a few dozen to contributors once in a while doesn't seem in
> the least offensive to me. By using an open raffle, we have 50
> t-shirts to give away to contributors - sign up if you'd like a chance
> to win one, we are thanking ALL contributors, not just the ones who
> win.
> > But let's be more constructive: I'm willing to produce the t-shirts and
> > distribute them worldwide if we find a budget for that. But even if I
> > feel empowered to do that, I certainly won't have time to do the rest.
> > So someone needs to design the raffles, pick teams and projects, set
> > criteria, retrieve mail addresses from picked contributors. So far I've
> > seen a lot of feedback (and thank you for that) what not to do, what to
> > do differently etc., but I haven't seen any offered helping hands.
> 
> Again, at least with respect to raffles we are making this
> unnecessarily complicated. All the needed infrastructure is in place
> and has been used once before. Raffles don't make as much sense to me
> unless they are very open. So if we wanted to single out a group like
> QA or Infrastructure or Design then some other mechanism probably
> would work better. I can easily come up with a criterion for those
> groups that makes just as much sense as the one being used for
> ambassadors though.
> 
> There isn't a lot of time right now so my suggestion is go ahead and
> do what you think is good. There is always time to thank people for
> helping us. We don't need to jumble my concerns with what you propose
> to do in the next couple of weeks. We can think more about this later
> when there is time or we can forget about it if FAmSCo doesn't think
> it is part of its proper role.
> 
> John

I suggest we simply produce the t-shirts and use money we have left this
quarter. That's something I can take care of. The t-shirts will be there
and we'll have time to prepare a well-designed raffle. That's where I'd
like to ask people who have experience with Fedora raffles to help.

Jiri