Hi<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">2008/1/16, Jonathan Dieter <<a href="mailto:jdieter@gmail.com">jdieter@gmail.com</a>>:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hello,<br><br>I live in Lebanon, which isn't part of the US or Europe (though it is<br>part of EMEA for the purpose of Fedora). And I definitely don't believe<br>that any ambassador should resign their identity or needs to a vague
<br>hand-waving "greater good".</blockquote><div><br><br>Its not about indentity, its about, how is the real attention to other "less stronger" countries.<br>If the idea is focused only on strong fedora ambassadors demography countries, will never be
<br>and wordwilde fedora community focused on each region and nation. <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">What I'm trying to say (and possibly saying very poorly) is that this
<br>kind of competition between the Fedora Ambassador regions is bad.</blockquote><div><br>Nobody talks about competition, I am talking about real needs. Dont get confused about this. <br>Crisis is present. Theres countries with less attention than others. This is a reality.
<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> We<br>should be working together, not against each other. That's what I mean
<br>by Fedora first, region second.</blockquote><div><br>In order to be possible, theres must be a region focused activity, if you look forward<br>EMEA, your are not seeing under you region. The worldwide vision is true, it exits and its
<br>present, but the role in your region, is attend the needs of your region. Autorreferencial vision<br>are need to promote fedora locally. You can see how the EMEA or US works, but you must apply<br>this "methods" to your local needs, and sometimes, the local needs are different than the "main models"
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I am very aware that Fedora Ambassadors are far larger than EMEA and the<br>US, but it seems that this whole problem has risen because a member of
<br>the latter distrusts the former (though this might be completely wrong).</blockquote><div><br><br>i dont think so about a distrust. Different vissions and opinions, doesnt distrust anyone. We dont have<br>the need to go to the same place, with the same methods. We are united on distro and vision about FLOSS,
<br>but we have special different needs.<br><br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">> And the new FAmSCo *must* make sure that
<br>> their highest priority is Fedora Ambassadors, not their particular<br>> region (no matter what has gone before).<br>><br>> I dont know how is your condition in your region, as you dont know how is our condition here.
<br>> So , the highest priority for Ambassador is "spread fedora", this is the mission, the statement<br>> and the purpose of Ambassador.<br><br>Yes, exactly!! The point I was making is that FAmSCo can't show
<br>favoritism (which seemed to be the original accusation). </blockquote><div><br>Favoritism is not the correct word. The correct word is "focused on stronger countries". This is not<br>a subjetive reflection. Reality show us, that the main idea is focused only on stronger countries and
<br>let in "the second stage" the "weak" countries. <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Note that I'm
<br>not insinuating that FAmSCo ever has shown favoritism or ever will.</blockquote><div><br>So?....who insinuate this?...nobody insinuate anything. Nobody is telling nothing against nobody. <br>We are talking about how to improve the processes...
<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">You as an Ambassador will focus on your region. FAmSCo's job (at least<br>
as I understand it) is to be a support to you as much as is possible.</blockquote><div><br>Until today, FAMSCO was a "ghost" for me. Nothing more than a "cd/dvd ship" process. <br>The only REAL contact that i have with famsco is Rodrigo. Nothing else. Nobody ask me
<br>what i need for my region, my country or my local needs for events. <br> </div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">> If we succeed in this, the different regions will work together
<br>> effectively, Fedora Ambassadors will grow and people like Bob will come<br>> back. If we fail, then Fedora Ambassadors will be divided into<br>> bickering groups that fade away into irrelevance.
<br>><br>> Fedora Ambassadors are divided right now. I understand that the developing of the distro<br>> must be focused in Red Hat based countries, it is common sense.But about Ambassador<br>> roles, the leaving up of Bob, represents the inner crisis, that Ithink the new management of FAMSCO
<br>> and the important continuing role of Max, wants to resolve.<br><br>All I was trying to say is that we as Fedora Ambassadors really need to<br>make sure that we're working together rather than fighting each other.
</blockquote><div><br><br>Split is a reality. We have a structural problem about interpretation of "local" and "global". <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
As for the development being focused on "Red Hat based countries", I<br>disagree. I'm currently working on yum-presto, a yum plugin designed to<br>reduce the download size of updates. Seeing as most "Red Hat based
<br>countries" have bandwidth to spare, this isn't very useful for them.<br>However, for those of us with limited bandwidth, it's very helpful.</blockquote><div><br>"useful for everyone" will be better ;)
</div></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Pablo Barrera