Just a little clarification:<div><br></div><div>Dual layer discs are actually not the same as dual sided discs, they can be printed on just like a normal DVD. Dual layer discs work by refocussing the laser slightly above the normal focussing point so the data on the second layer does not interfere with the first.</div>
<div><br></div><div>A lot of video DVDs are produced as dual layer DVDs, most drives can read them without modification.</div><div><br></div><div>The fact some drives display "Dual Layer" is purely because they are DVD writers, earlier DVD writers could not write to the second layer.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Dual layer is part of the DVD standard - all DVD drives should by design be able to read dual layer DVDs even if they can not write to them.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards to one and all</div><div>
<br></div><div>Greg Fenton<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/19 Máirín Duffy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:duffy@fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">duffy@fedoraproject.org</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 02:10 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:<br>
> * It needs to be tested. The prototype is available for three<br>
> weeks now at <a href="http://sspreitzer.fedorapeople.org/torrents/" target="_blank">http://sspreitzer.fedorapeople.org/torrents/</a> -<br>
> please test!<br>
> We will make an F14 dual layer version once live images of TC2<br>
> are available.<br>
<br>
</div>Three weeks this coming Thursday. It's still Monday here.<br>
<br>
You mentioned on IRC that some testing has already been done; is there<br>
any wiki page with the results or any other testing data available?<br>
<br>
Some questions with my UX designer cap on:<br>
<br>
- For the dual layer, how do you intend to help users understand which<br>
side is which? (I'm guessing one side of the dual-layer is 32-bit, the<br>
other 64-bit?)<br>
<br>
- Does the manufacturer have a way of labeling the full center plastic<br>
ring or is it only just a narrow strip as with the SUSE discs?<br>
<br>
- If only a thin plastic ring is available, do you have any idea from<br>
the manufacturer on the character length limits of the label and a draft<br>
of what you would have it say for each side? How about character length<br>
limits for a wider center label?<br>
<br>
- Are these going to be provided in a printed sleeve? If so, do you have<br>
any mockups/designs/copy for the sleeve?<br>
<br>
- What style sleeve - cardboard pocket or one with a plastic ring?<br>
<br>
It seems since it would be printed dual-layer, it would be difficult to<br>
provide a good label for the disc making the sleeve design even more<br>
critical for identifying the disc and instructing users on how to use<br>
it.<br>
<div><br>
> * The (one and only) desktop (TM) must not be referred to as the<br>
> "GNOME". We are not, please look at<br>
> <a href="http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/f13-multi-desktop-dvd.png" target="_blank">http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/f13-multi-desktop-dvd.png</a><br>
> GNOME is called "Fedora 14 Live" just like the ISO and is the<br>
> default selection. The only reference to the name GNOME is on<br>
> the filesystem. We will change this if it makes you happy.<br>
><br>
<br>
</div>I have a few concerns about the design of this menu:<br>
<br>
- Does every item need to mention Fedora 13?<br>
- Can the entire disk be verified with a single menu item?<br>
- Could the names for each of the desktop items be a bit more<br>
friendly and readable?<br>
<br>
E.g., rather than this, which I think is a little overwhelming to read:<br>
<br>
* Fedora-13-i686-Live<br>
* Verify and Boot Fedora-13-i686-Live<br>
* Fedora-13-i686-Live-KDE<br>
* Verify and Boot Fedora-13-i686-Live-KDE<br>
* Fedora-13-i686-Live-LXDE<br>
* Verify and Boot Fedora-13-i686-Live-LXDE<br>
* Fedora-13-i686-Live-XFCE<br>
* Verify and Boot Fedora-13-i686-Live-XFCE<br>
<br>
Could it maybe instead read like this, which I think is a bit more approachable:<br>
<br>
* Boot Fedora Live<br>
* Boot Fedora Live KDE<br>
* Boot Fedora Live LXDE<br>
* Boot Fedora Live XFCE<br>
* Verify media<br>
<div><br>
?<br>
<br>
> Can we now please get the formal approval for the media? We cannot<br>
> afford to loose another week because we want the media available for the<br>
> F14 release events.<br>
<br>
</div>Board members, could we add this to the agenda on Thursday 21 Oct? We<br>
were going to meet at 2 pm to discuss the codenames, right?<br>
<br>
Otherwise, it could be added to next Monday's (25 Oct) agenda. I'm not<br>
sure if it's possible to approve a trademark request without quorum, or<br>
over the mailing list? (Can any old-timer board members verify if this<br>
is or is not the case?)<br>
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