This thread has been down for the requested 24 hours and, as I understand it, it is back up again.<br><br>Larry Cafiero<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Larry Cafiero <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:larry.cafiero@gmail.com">larry.cafiero@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Rather than point out where I think Marcus is, and has been, fundamentally wrong about this topic since the start of this discussion -- I'll do that in a blog item -- I believe we should invoke David Nalley's suggestion to shut down this thread since the 24-hour period to NOT discuss it was not adhered to.<br>
<br>Can someone take care of this?<br><font color="#888888"><br>Larry Cafiero</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Marcus Moeller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mail@marcus-moeller.de" target="_blank">mail@marcus-moeller.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi Christoph,<br>
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>> I am not yes sure if it's the best way to have a permanent list to<br>
>> pick from or to have something like a call for mentors (on demand), so<br>
>> when new mentors are needed for a specific region, this is announced<br>
>> and ppl who are interested can raise their voice on that.<br>
><br>
> This doesn't make a difference. You will get the people who *want* to<br>
> become a mentor, not the people who *you* *want* to become one. You will<br>
> get the people who *think* they can be mentors but not the people who in<br>
> the eyes of the community can be one.<br>
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</div>Electing ppl or raising ppl from inside a board (on base of personal<br>
friendships or whatever) is IMHO definitely not the way things should<br>
happen in an open ecosystem. You say you want the best from the best?<br>
Just announce that new mentors are needed, let them put their name on<br>
the list or propose one if you think he/she is the best for that job.<br>
<br>
These are standard procedures which do not cause much overhead or<br>
'make things complicated' like some might complain.<br>
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> Again, you are not saying anything on the things I mentioned. I think it<br>
> is hard to discuss with you. I'm trying to make my points and explain my<br>
> point of view but you just say ... basically nothing.<br>
<br>
> Please be so kind as to respond to the questions I raise, otherwise we<br>
> cannot make any progress in this discussion.<br>
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</div>Sorry, the only point I get from you is that everybody could get<br>
things done, which is obviously (always) right and which is even part<br>
of the proposal and that FAmSCo should keep their privilege of<br>
electing mentors from inside.<br>
<br>
Let's open up the process and give everyone the chance to take part.<br>
<br>
Just to note: I really don't like the tone of discussions on this list<br>
and would like to ask at least you (Christoph) and Joerg to 'slow<br>
down' a bit because in general I think we are heading in the same<br>
direction and instead of blaming/fighting each other we should try to<br>
get closer to get things done. It's not much that I want to change and<br>
I even do not have a solution for every question. But I have much<br>
experience with similar problems in other open source projects and I<br>
am still in hope that Fedora is a 'bit better'.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Greets<br>
<font color="#888888">Marcus<br>
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