Hi,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/5/6 John T. Rose <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rose@iastate.edu" target="_blank">rose@iastate.edu</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:59 AM, Jiri Eischmann <<a href="mailto:eischmann@redhat.com">eischmann@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Ruth Suehle píše v Pá 03. 05. 2013 v 14:06 -0400:<br>
>> | > I would rather see the ambassadors do something to thank people for<br>
>> | > contributing that everyone who contributes to Fedora is eligible for.<br>
>> | > Why should ambassadors get t-shirts when packagers and doc writers and<br>
>> | > on and on don't?<br>
>> | ><br>
>> | > We have some access to funding. Let's spend some of that to thank<br>
>> | > people for helping Fedora but not limit it to ambassadors.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I initially was going to say that I like the idea of rewarding people for doing a little more (like those who throw<br>
>> release parties), but this is a good point. There are lot of people helping Fedora just as much in other ways.<br>
><br>
> This idea was meant to replace the old reward program for release party<br>
> organizers which is why it was originally limited to them (btw release<br>
> party can be organized by any contributor, it's not limited to<br>
> ambassadors). I have absolutely no problem to include other teams, too.<br>
> But there are several problems to solve.<br>
<br>
</div>For the record I am against buying dinners and giving trips to FUDCons<br>
and whatever else to release party organizers as well. Regardless of<br>
who can in theory organize a release party these goodies are being<br>
given by ambassadors to other ambassadors for honestly not doing very<br>
much.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>nowhere is written that you have to be Ambassador for doing a release party.<br><br>You definitly volunteered with this mail to organize one as you said is not much work. But that cant be true when I look here there was no party in NA<br>
<br><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_release_events#NA">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_release_events#NA</a><br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Compare this effort to that expended by QA or Design release after<br>
release and there are never any goodies for them. We could be better<br>
ambassadors internally by giving a thank you to those working hard<br>
elsewhere in the project. I'd be fully behind an effort to send a<br>
thank you to the QA team.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Criteria: who's going to get a T-shirt? With the release party reward<br>
> program, it's very simple: everyone who is an event owner of a release<br>
> party.<br>
<br>
</div>How about everyone who contributes a design for wallpaper? How about<br>
everyone who participates in a test day? It isn't that hard to find<br>
easy ways to identify people outside of the ambassador group.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> So every team/spin/... which wants to be involved needs to define some<br>
> criteria, or we can simply give T-shirts away to anyone who applies and<br>
> has at least some sign of contribution until we run out of T-shirts.<br>
<br>
</div>We have raffled off t-shirts to contributors in the past. The<br>
logistics of any large scale thank you program is going to be<br>
difficult. But I don't see any real impediment to thanking one group<br>
this time and another next time either.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Distribution&Cost: with the release parties, the distribution of<br>
> T-shirts is fairly easy and cheap, at least in some of the regions. In<br>
> EMEA, we send packages with media and swag to every release party, so<br>
> distributing T-shirts is just a matter of including them in the<br>
> packages. Sending T-shirts to various contributors would be logistically<br>
> more complicated and expensive because we'd have to send them in extra<br>
> packages. So are we going to have enough money not only for T-shirt<br>
> production, but also for shipping which won't land in this quarter for<br>
> sure? Who is going to package and send tens or hundreds of T-shirts?<br>
<br>
</div>Well, ambassadors in NA did exactly that for the t-shirt raffle. As I<br>
said before though I do agree this doesn't scale. But at the same<br>
scale we have here we could I am sure give t-shirts to the QA or<br>
Design contributors instead of to ambassadors for a change.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>br gnokii <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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