<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2015-07-10 14:28 GMT+02:00 Josh Boyer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwboyer@fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">jwboyer@fedoraproject.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">
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</span>OK. So your answer to my immediate question is "neutral base that<br>
people have to customize". Fair enough. Now, why would someone wish<br>
to choose a Fedora cloud image over Ubuntu or CoreOS or any of the<br>
other "minimal base that you have to customize" images?<br>
<span class=""><br></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We should focus on reliability, availability and predictability, as we have a short-term lifecycle.<br></div><div>=> we did a great work to fix the first point, kudos to Kushal, Mike and David for that.<br></div><div><br></div><div>predictability is our weak point:<br></div><div>* not enough documentation<br></div><div>* disruptive changes unannounced (like the ps one recently)<br><br><br></div><div>Another weakness is that we don't provide a large panel of application stacks (and versions)<br></div><div>unlike Ubuntu. We only provide *one* release of python2, python3, ruby, java, php (though more<br>are available through third-party repo) etc.<br></div><div> <br></div><div>That's where the Stack&Env WG work is important for us, as it could become<br></div><div>an asset against our other offers.<br><br><br></div><div>CoreOS is geared toward innovators and early adopters, our audience which are<br></div><div>early adopters and early majority are still not ready to change to the container-based<br></div><div>paradigm, as they're already struggling with scalability, automation etc...<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">
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</span>They've done that with kiwi for a long time. They've had JeOS around<br>
for a long time. Which is kind of my follow up point. Why would<br>
someone choose Fedora cloud? What makes it compelling?<br>
<span class=""><br></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We're more aggressive in pushing latest technologies compared to Suse and<br></div><div>we do it well. Moreover, we're a good lab to work on supporting the next EL flavors.<br><br></div><div>A good mix between reliability/modernity<br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">
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</span>Or, in other words, a minimal linux distro that you download and then<br>
have to spend time customizing :).<br>
<span class=""><br></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>yes, and here, it's my own opinion, after curating this base, providing tooling/documentation<br></div><div>to make customization easier is the key for our success.<br></div><div>My peers may disagree with me.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">
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</span>That is somewhat confusing. For the F22 release, I heard much more<br>
chatter and excitement around Atomic than I did Cloud images. To the<br>
point where I thought the Atomic image _was_ the cloud image for a<br>
very long time. Hence my follow up now.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's understandable, and Atomic/Docker is clearly the exciting side from the cloud lines.<br></div><div>We also don't spend enough efforts on marketing our cloud images, and most of ambassadors are<br></div><div>not very cloud-aware. <br></div><div>I'd rather say that we're more or less starting to be a mature product -though this is a constant effort-<br>, need to focus on polishing and marketing it.<br></div><div><br></div><div>H.<br> </div><div><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
josh<br>
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