<div dir="ltr">I'll contact the them to see if i can.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 22 April 2010 21:19, Nelson Marques <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:07721@ipam.pt">07721@ipam.pt</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Good stuff.<br>
Could we manage to get a Plymouth themes area ? :)<br>
<br>
nelson<br>
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On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 20:03 +0300, Tareq Al Jurf wrote:<br>
> Hi Nelson<br>
> I think that you should see this <a href="http://fedora-art.org" target="_blank">fedora-art.org</a><br>
> I sent <a href="http://opendesktop.org" target="_blank">opendesktop.org</a> an email, and they've done it.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
> On 22 April 2010 19:52, Nelson Marques <<a href="mailto:07721@ipam.pt">07721@ipam.pt</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi all,<br>
><br>
> I thought over in many things and I do recognize some<br>
> problems that<br>
> might be related to people not enrolling with communities like<br>
> our. I<br>
> would like to propose the following (though I could prepare a<br>
> decent<br>
> document, I'd rather take this approach first).<br>
><br>
> Fedora 13 is going live soon, and honestly everyone should be<br>
> committed<br>
> to it, but once F13 is live, it is expected that maybe in the<br>
> upcoming<br>
> months after the release there's too much to do still. So<br>
> maybe the best<br>
> time is to trigger this around July. At that time people<br>
> should be<br>
> preparing for vacations and so on (at least the youth, which<br>
> is probably<br>
> the main audience for this).<br>
> I am not sure when the theme is going to be decided and<br>
> specially by<br>
> whom for Fedora 14, but this makes sense to be done right<br>
> after such is<br>
> accomplished.<br>
><br>
> What I would like to do:<br>
><br>
> Launch a challenge in existing artist communities through a<br>
> cooperation<br>
> protocol between Fedora and those communities, for some quick<br>
> examples:<br>
><br>
> * <a href="http://opendesktop.org" target="_blank">opendesktop.org</a> (<a href="http://gnome-look.org" target="_blank">gnome-look.org</a>, <a href="http://kde-look.org" target="_blank">kde-look.org</a>, etc);<br>
> * <a href="http://deviantart.com" target="_blank">deviantart.com</a><br>
> * <a href="http://gnome.org" target="_blank">gnome.org</a> and <a href="http://kde.org" target="_blank">kde.org</a> (?? this people are most likely<br>
> buried with<br>
> work already)<br>
> * suggestions from current artists<br>
><br>
> This challenge should be a "call to arms" oriented campaign<br>
> in which<br>
> artists are invited to produce artwork for Fedora Project. As<br>
> things are<br>
> not going to be much random, this is what I though that is<br>
> going to be<br>
> needed:<br>
><br>
> #1 - Fedora 14 Theme > this has to be decided prior.<br>
> #2 - A document that provides guidelines for participants to<br>
> comply<br>
> (this should be accomplished by the Fedora Design Team, as<br>
> it's their<br>
> field of action/expertise).<br>
> #3 - A place where artists can submit their work. (this<br>
> shouldnt be too<br>
> complicated and I would suggest to use a wiki page for this).<br>
> #4 - Licensing for submitted artwork (this is for sure<br>
> something I have<br>
> no knowledge, I believe that eventually there are people here<br>
> who have<br>
> done similiar things in the past, so selecting and<br>
> highlighting such<br>
> would be great).<br>
> #5 - A committee to analyze the submitted artwork. We can run<br>
> this as<br>
> Fedora or eventually also invite people from other<br>
> communities, such as<br>
> GNOME, KDE, etc. If this artwork is going to be enabled by<br>
> Fedora and<br>
> distributed for KDE/GNOME, makes sense to me to have someone<br>
> from their<br>
> project on this also. See such option as strengthening bonds<br>
> between us<br>
> and them.<br>
> #6 - A proper Marketing/Communication campaign for this. We<br>
> should be<br>
> able to reach everyone.<br>
> #7 - Decide what kind of artwork we want (ex: GNOME Meta<br>
> Themes, KDE<br>
> themes, Icon Themes, wallpapers, videos ?).<br>
> #8 - Some Ambassadorial support work. I would recon that<br>
> _current_<br>
> artists who are ambassadors should have a key role here. As<br>
> artists they<br>
> might be enrolled on other existing communities, they for sure<br>
> talk the<br>
> same language as other artists and know how to attract people<br>
> in a more<br>
> effective way than we can at Marketing. As for standard<br>
> non-artist<br>
> Ambassadors, I believe they can help a lot also, as running<br>
> such project<br>
> is mainly Public Relations work (something I suck at).<br>
><br>
> Some doubts:<br>
><br>
> - If we run such campaign, who decides if we can include or<br>
> not<br>
> community based artwork? Can we freely include on F14 some<br>
> extra stuff<br>
> that we get from such a campaign ?<br>
><br>
> - The tools... we are promoting open source, but if we scroll<br>
> through<br>
> Deviant Art for instance, there is work which is distributed<br>
> with a<br>
> friendly license, but is generated in maybe non-friendly<br>
> software, such<br>
> as OS X platforms and eventually not GIMP/Inkscape stuff.<br>
> Should we<br>
> apply restrictions and check for headers and traces of non-oss<br>
> in the<br>
> submitted artwork?<br>
><br>
> - I would like submitters to place their artwork in place<br>
> where FAS<br>
> registration is demanded. In the rush of submitting their<br>
> work, they<br>
> will go through that step with some "pleasure". If such is<br>
> done, with a<br>
> single group apply (ex: design-team) and joining a mailling<br>
> list, their<br>
> approach as a potential Fedora contributor is basically done.<br>
> This could<br>
> be explored.<br>
><br>
> - Ice breaking... People who might want to submit artwork<br>
> will be for<br>
> sure in contact with some of our people. For example we can<br>
> probably<br>
> forward them for a "help list" for this event or existing list<br>
> such as<br>
> design-team to clear some doubts. Doing such will place them<br>
> directly in<br>
> contact with Fedora Teams and will work as a Ice Breaker. This<br>
> should<br>
> probably make their possible integration in the future much<br>
> easier, as<br>
> they will start having friendly voices around.<br>
><br>
> - Motivation - Fedora is supposed to be installed in 24<br>
> million<br>
> computers worldwide (or so some say). This is a kick-ass<br>
> distribution<br>
> channel for artists. It should provide enough motivation for<br>
> them to<br>
> participate (if we are friendly with rules).<br>
><br>
> - Marketing Involvement > I'm not sure how many people face<br>
> this, but<br>
> this is a typical marketing promotion campaign. It does<br>
> require some<br>
> work and free time. I'm making myself available for this and I<br>
> can nag<br>
> my employer to give me 5 hours weekly to work on this, plus my<br>
> free<br>
> time.<br>
><br>
> - Ambassadorial Work > I'm not sure on how this can be done,<br>
> so some<br>
> feedback from Ambassadors is welcome, and eventually we can<br>
> see how we<br>
> can help each other. Even between the involved<br>
> departments/teams of<br>
> Fedora in such, their work as moderators and promoters should<br>
> be a must.<br>
><br>
> - Cost/Benefits Relation > This should be positive for<br>
> everyone<br>
> involved. I'm not sure how design team faces such<br>
> initiative... Fedora<br>
> Design is very important, and this should be an accessory for<br>
> their<br>
> work, and of course a way to reinforce their ranks in number<br>
> and gather<br>
> more contributors/artists for Fedora Artwork/Design Teams.<br>
> That should<br>
> be our greatest benefict, plus providing a wider set or<br>
> artwork on the<br>
> release. Get more people signed on FAS in a friendly way.<br>
> Break the Ice<br>
> between Fedora and possible contributors. On the costs side...<br>
> This is<br>
> will require time and effort from at least: Ambassadors,<br>
> Marketing,<br>
> Design/Artwork and other teams of Fedora such as QA,<br>
> packaging, etc. I<br>
> would say that 20 submissions for Meta-Themes would be already<br>
> a great<br>
> win and would reward us all.<br>
><br>
> For the rest, this is a very superficial approach, but if<br>
> there is<br>
> interest from Fedora on this, I will turn this into a more<br>
> in-depth<br>
> document and more objective.<br>
><br>
> I believe we can try to do something different here and try<br>
> to enlarge<br>
> our community a bit, plus providing a bit more of community<br>
> contributions.<br>
><br>
> All the problems have solutions, we just need to identify<br>
> them and work<br>
> them out. I believe we have enough time between now and Fedora<br>
> 14 theme<br>
> selection to work out this in a way that we can kick in fast<br>
> and<br>
> aggressive soon after the main art theme is selected.<br>
><br>
> I really would love to ear everyone's view about this, their<br>
> own ideas<br>
> on how to make better, their concerns, their critics...<br>
> everything...<br>
> only in possession of such information we can have a strong<br>
> basis to<br>
> work out soemthing like this.<br>
><br>
> From my personal point, I'm willing to place 10 hours/week<br>
> for such<br>
> project and report to Marketing every single week about what<br>
> has been<br>
> achieved.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Nelson.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Nelson Marques<br>
> Evil Clown<br>
> (<a href="http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.htm" target="_blank">http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.htm</a>)<br>
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> Tareq Al Jurf<br>
> Fedora Ambassador<br>
> Riyadh, Saudi Arabia<br>
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