Hello everyone,<div><br></div><div>I'm new here, and I haven't been active in any project so far, but the fedora rpg badge looks really interesting, and i hope that i could give a little help on that, especially on the design part. I'm looking forward to start working with everyone.</div>
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1. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Vinzenz Vietzke)<br>
2. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Misha Shnurapet)<br>
3. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Nicu Buculei)<br>
4. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Vinzenz Vietzke)<br>
5. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Nicu Buculei)<br>
6. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Vinzenz Vietzke)<br>
7. Fedora RPG Badge (Fabian A. Scherschel)<br>
8. Re: Fedora RPG Badge (<a href="mailto:ppapadeas@gmail.com">ppapadeas@gmail.com</a>)<br>
9. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Jef van Schendel)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 23:07:19 +0100<br>
From: Vinzenz Vietzke <<a href="mailto:vinz@fedoraproject.org">vinz@fedoraproject.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage<br>
To: Fedora Design Team <<a href="mailto:design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org">design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org</a>><br>
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Hi Jef,<br>
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Am 24.11.2010 21:02, schrieb Jef van Schendel:<br>
> So my suggestion is to put both of these concepts together and make one<br>
> really fantastic Start page.:)<br>
Here we go! :)<br>
<br>
> - We'd like to use the same footer across all the different Fedora websites,<br>
> so I think we should keep that. It's big and has a lot of content, but on<br>
> the other hand it's content that fits really well on a Start page. Also, we<br>
> can remove the Release Notes, Join, etc links if we use that footer.<br>
I think using the same footer on "regular" websites like www.fpo or<br>
get.fpo is absolutely necessary. But on such a special site like<br>
start.fpo I think it would be better not to "rush" the user with<br>
content. Especially new users would just get struck by all this<br>
information and would overlook the search bar as core functionality.<br>
<br>
><br>
> - As I said I love the CC icons as filters, but they could be a little<br>
> closer to the actual search bar, so it's clear what they're used for. I<br>
> think the "dropdown + button + CC logo" combo I currently have in place<br>
> looks ugly, so maybe we can simply put them there?<br>
Sounds good to me. Have a look: [2]<br>
><br>
> - I'm not sure what to do about the RSS feeds. Initially I resisted against<br>
> adding them, because I felt the page would go from a clean and simple Start<br>
> page to a full-blown hub. On the other hand, they contain a lot of good and<br>
> up-to-date information about what's happening in the community. What do you<br>
> (and others who want to join in!) think, are they valuable enough to keep?<br>
> Or is it a step too far?<br>
Maybe we should talk about two different sites:<br>
* <a href="http://welcome.fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">welcome.fedoraproject.org</a><br>
Think of it looking like my v3 with a "compressed" standard footer. [1]<br>
This site should only contain the searching functionality since it's<br>
intended as browser home page.<br>
The only additional function I'd add would be a link named "switch to<br>
daily start page" or so, which updates the browser home page to a<br>
<a href="http://start.fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">start.fedoraproject.org</a> variant as stated below.<br>
<br>
* <a href="http://start.fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">start.fedoraproject.org</a><br>
On this site I'd place things like RSS feeds, tweets, rotating photo<br>
galleries etc. Something like a portal but only with aggregated content<br>
so no daily maintenance would be needed.<br>
Perhaps pushing planet.fpo unfiltered to this site should be rethought<br>
since there are sometimes quite useless postings like "i have voted" or<br>
so. Maybe someone should pick the 20-30 most "valuable" ones and tell<br>
the blog owners about the fact that their posts will appear on<br>
start.fpo. In this way a little quality assurance would be given.<br>
<br>
vinz.<br>
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[1] <a href="http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/start.fpo/compressed-footer.png" target="_blank">http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/start.fpo/compressed-footer.png</a><br>
[2] <a href="http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/start.fpo/v4.png" target="_blank">http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/start.fpo/v4.png</a><br>
--<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:13:04 +0800<br>
From: Misha Shnurapet <<a href="mailto:shnurapet@fedoraproject.org">shnurapet@fedoraproject.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage<br>
To: Fedora Design Team <<a href="mailto:design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org">design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org</a>><br>
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25.11.2010, 06:07, "Vinzenz Vietzke" <<a href="mailto:vinz@fedoraproject.org">vinz@fedoraproject.org</a>>:<br>
> I think using the same footer on "regular" websites like www.fpo or<br>
> get.fpo is absolutely necessary. But on such a special site like<br>
> start.fpo I think it would be better not to "rush" the user with<br>
> content. Especially new users would just get struck by all this<br>
> information and would overlook the search bar as core functionality.<br>
<br>
I also think that a start page should be as clean as possible and only contain a branded search bar [1], [2].<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="http://www.google.ru/firefox" target="_blank">http://www.google.ru/firefox</a><br>
[2] <a href="http://firefox.yandex.ru/" target="_blank">http://firefox.yandex.ru/</a><br>
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25.11.2010, 04:02, "Jef van Schendel" <<a href="mailto:jefvanschendel@gmail.com">jefvanschendel@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> - As I said I love the CC icons as filters, but they could be a little closer to the actual search bar, so it's clear what they're used for. I think the "dropdown + button + CC logo" combo I currently have in place looks ugly, so maybe we can simply put them there?<br>
<br>
Agree, a good place for switchers would be right under the search bar.<br>
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--<br>
Best regards,<br>
Misha Shnurapet, Fedora Project Contributor<br>
<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Shnurapet" target="_blank">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Shnurapet</a><br>
shnurapet AT <a href="http://fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">fedoraproject.org</a>, GPG: 00217306<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 09:27:03 +0200<br>
From: Nicu Buculei <<a href="mailto:nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro">nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage<br>
To: Fedora Design Team <<a href="mailto:design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org">design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org</a>><br>
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On 11/24/2010 10:02 PM, Jef van Schendel wrote:<br>
> I made a mockup [1] which has the same content as the current Start<br>
> page, but with the redesigned header and footer. Together with Sijis I<br>
> put together a working prototype [2]. As you can see we added two RSS<br>
> feeds to the page with announcements and Fedora Planet posts.<br>
><br>
> Looking back I don't think I announced any of this on the Websites or<br>
> Design Team mailing lists, which wasn't smart. After all, if it's not on<br>
> the list, it didn't happen. ;)<br>
<br>
That's so true... :)<br>
<br>
> - I think the Board has talked before about changing the content and<br>
> function of start.fpo, but I can't remember what the consensus was. This<br>
> is why I kept the current content and only worked on the appearance<br>
> (just like you did). I think that's the best way to go for now. We can<br>
> always change it in the future.<br>
<br>
IIRC, there was no consensus reached.<br>
An important amount of people have concerns about us relying<br>
on/promoting a proprietary service. There are also voices saying some<br>
other projects receive money from Google for something like this. And<br>
other voices pointing to the little value of having a Google search when<br>
the default browser (Firefox) has the search box inside its UI.<br>
<br>
--<br>
nicu :: <a href="http://nicubunu.ro" target="_blank">http://nicubunu.ro</a> :: <a href="http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/</a><br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:03:24 +0100<br>
From: Vinzenz Vietzke <<a href="mailto:vinz@fedoraproject.org">vinz@fedoraproject.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage<br>
To: Fedora Design Team <<a href="mailto:design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org">design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org</a>><br>
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Am 25.11.2010 08:27, schrieb Nicu Buculei:<br>
> IIRC, there was no consensus reached.<br>
> An important amount of people have concerns about us relying<br>
> on/promoting a proprietary service. There are also voices saying some<br>
> other projects receive money from Google for something like this. And<br>
> other voices pointing to the little value of having a Google search when<br>
> the default browser (Firefox) has the search box inside its UI.<br>
1) Switching to some more free/libre web search is a honorable idea, but<br>
IMHO there is no service around which is nearly as stable and as<br>
reliable as google, yahoo, bing and so on. Projects like yacy are good<br>
efforts to offer independent ways of searching but with a start page for<br>
new users we should have an eye on highest reliability.<br>
<br>
2) That's right. Ubuntu is earning money from Google and even from<br>
Microsoft for placing Bing second on the search field. I think that can<br>
cut both ways: On the one hand you get money for your project and can<br>
"do something good". But on the other hand you leave the noble goals a<br>
bit behind or even sell a piece of your soul. ;-)<br>
At the moment Fedora is promoting Google. But why not take money for that?<br>
<br>
3) The search field in Firefox is nice for users which are used to it.<br>
But for the absolutely new user a big friendly search box in the middle<br>
is much more comfortable.<br>
<br>
vinz.<br>
--<br>
Vinzenz Vietzke<br>
m: <a href="mailto:vinz@fedoraproject.org">vinz@fedoraproject.org</a><br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:11:42 +0200<br>
From: Nicu Buculei <<a href="mailto:nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro">nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage<br>
To: Fedora Design Team <<a href="mailto:design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org">design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org</a>><br>
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On 11/25/2010 11:03 AM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:<br>
> Am 25.11.2010 08:27, schrieb Nicu Buculei:<br>
>> IIRC, there was no consensus reached.<br>
>> An important amount of people have concerns about us relying<br>
>> on/promoting a proprietary service. There are also voices saying some<br>
>> other projects receive money from Google for something like this. And<br>
>> other voices pointing to the little value of having a Google search when<br>
>> the default browser (Firefox) has the search box inside its UI.<br>
> 1) Switching to some more free/libre web search is a honorable idea, but<br>
> IMHO there is no service around which is nearly as stable and as<br>
> reliable as google, yahoo, bing and so on. Projects like yacy are good<br>
> efforts to offer independent ways of searching but with a start page for<br>
> new users we should have an eye on highest reliability.<br>
<br>
This is the Board decision to make and I remember all those points were<br>
raised in that discussion.<br>
<br>
> 2) That's right. Ubuntu is earning money from Google and even from<br>
> Microsoft for placing Bing second on the search field. I think that can<br>
> cut both ways: On the one hand you get money for your project and can<br>
> "do something good". But on the other hand you leave the noble goals a<br>
> bit behind or even sell a piece of your soul. ;-)<br>
> At the moment Fedora is promoting Google. But why not take money for that?<br>
<br>
Apparently we bring them an amount of users little enough to worth money.<br>
<br>
--<br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:03:11 +0100<br>
From: Vinzenz Vietzke <<a href="mailto:vinz@fedoraproject.org">vinz@fedoraproject.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage<br>
To: Fedora Design Team <<a href="mailto:design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org">design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org</a>><br>
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Am 25.11.2010 10:11, schrieb Nicu Buculei:<br>
>> At the moment Fedora is promoting Google. But why not take money for that?<br>
> Apparently we bring them an amount of users little enough to worth money.<br>
><br>
Oh well... Should have thought of that. :)<br>
--<br>
Vinzenz Vietzke<br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 21:45:35 +0100<br>
From: "Fabian A. Scherschel" <<a href="mailto:fab@sixgun.org">fab@sixgun.org</a>><br>
Subject: [Design-team] Fedora RPG Badge<br>
To: Fedora Design Team <<a href="mailto:design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org">design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org</a>><br>
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Hi, folks!<br>
<br>
As promised, if woefully late (sorry, been busy killing people on stage), my<br>
first sketch for the PSN-like Fedora RPG badge we discussed some time ago.<br>
Feel free to comment and whip me around for my lame panda-drawing skills....<br>
<br>
<a href="http://fabsh.fedorapeople.org/rpg/fedora-rpg-badge1.png" target="_blank">http://fabsh.fedorapeople.org/rpg/fedora-rpg-badge1.png</a><br>
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Toodle pip!<br>
Fab<br>
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:50:41 +0200<br>
From: "<a href="mailto:ppapadeas@gmail.com">ppapadeas@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:ppapadeas@gmail.com">ppapadeas@gmail.com</a>><br>
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On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Fabian A. Scherschel <<a href="mailto:fab@sixgun.org">fab@sixgun.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi, folks!<br>
> As promised, if woefully late (sorry, been busy killing people on stage), my<br>
> first sketch for the PSN-like Fedora RPG badge we discussed some time ago.<br>
> Feel free to comment and whip me around for my lame panda-drawing skills....<br>
> <a href="http://fabsh.fedorapeople.org/rpg/fedora-rpg-badge1.png" target="_blank">http://fabsh.fedorapeople.org/rpg/fedora-rpg-badge1.png</a><br>
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Absolutely lovable!<br>
<br>
One little suggestion though... The "short tagline" should be on the<br>
right side so the picture can be 100% of the height of the box.<br>
<br>
Still your panda is nice :P :)<br>
<br>
~?<br>
<br>
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Message: 9<br>
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:19:43 +0100<br>
From: Jef van Schendel <<a href="mailto:jefvanschendel@gmail.com">jefvanschendel@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage<br>
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2010/11/24 Vinzenz Vietzke <<a href="mailto:vinz@fedoraproject.org">vinz@fedoraproject.org</a>><br>
><br>
> I think using the same footer on "regular" websites like www.fpo or<br>
> get.fpo is absolutely necessary. But on such a special site like<br>
> start.fpo I think it would be better not to "rush" the user with<br>
> content. Especially new users would just get struck by all this<br>
> information and would overlook the search bar as core functionality.<br>
><br>
<br>
Maybe we should talk about two different sites:<br>
> * <a href="http://welcome.fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">welcome.fedoraproject.org</a><br>
> Think of it looking like my v3 with a "compressed" standard footer. [1]<br>
> This site should only contain the searching functionality since it's<br>
> intended as browser home page.<br>
><br>
<br>
Agreed on the rushing, that's definitely an issue. However I'm not sure a<br>
compressed footer is the best thing to do, since that means we've got two<br>
different ones and it'll be even harder to get them consistent across all<br>
websites. Also, most of the links in your mockup footer are also in the<br>
header on www.fpo. If we only want to have those, we could also use the<br>
existing menu bar somewhere, as in [1].<br>
<br>
I tried to get the search functionality front and center, without removing<br>
the footer in [2]. We can easily make the footer stick to the bottom of the<br>
screen, so it gets out of the way but is still there if you need it. By<br>
putting the search bar right in the middle of the screen, it's still the<br>
most prominent object on the page.<br>
<br>
Another option is to hide the footer a bit. I tried making that div's<br>
position absolute and putting the top at 90%. Doing this, only the very top<br>
part is visible on your screen and the rest when you scroll down. I'm not<br>
sure that's a good option though, it looks quite strange, as if something<br>
went wrong.<br>
<br>
<br>
> The only additional function I'd add would be a link named "switch to<br>
> daily start page" or so, which updates the browser home page to a<br>
> <a href="http://start.fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">start.fedoraproject.org</a> variant as stated below.<br>
><br>
> * <a href="http://start.fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">start.fedoraproject.org</a><br>
> On this site I'd place things like RSS feeds, tweets, rotating photo<br>
> galleries etc. Something like a portal but only with aggregated content<br>
> so no daily maintenance would be needed.<br>
> Perhaps pushing planet.fpo unfiltered to this site should be rethought<br>
> since there are sometimes quite useless postings like "i have voted" or<br>
> so. Maybe someone should pick the 20-30 most "valuable" ones and tell<br>
> the blog owners about the fact that their posts will appear on<br>
> start.fpo. In this way a little quality assurance would be given.<br>
><br>
<br>
Actually there's already a page that has most of that, the Community page<br>
on www.fpo. We designed that just as you describe, as a kind of hub for<br>
community information.<br>
<br>
Thus, I think it's best to keep all of that on the Community page, and<br>
remove the feeds from start.fpo again. It really adds too much noise IMO.<br>
<br>
<br>
Anyway, I'll give it some more thought next week.<br>
<br>
<br>
As for the Google topic, those are all valid points but it's probably<br>
something to discuss on a different list. For now, I think the content is<br>
good enough: everybody is familiar with Google, and the CC filters add a<br>
nice touch that for instance Firefox's search bar doesn't provide. I just<br>
want to give start.fpo a quick facelift. :)<br>
<br>
Jef<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/temp/menubar.png" target="_blank">http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/temp/menubar.png</a><br>
[2] <a href="http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/temp/start1.png" target="_blank">http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/temp/start1.png</a><br>
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