On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Paul W. Frields <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stickster@gmail.com">stickster@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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</div>I just read the post here by Owen and it specifically says "request."<br>
Anything else is reportage or inference.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Is it? I wasn't attending the meeting but it really looks like it is being pushed through to me. I mean, honestly, who on the Design Team would be in favour of this and why? I strongly urge those who are to speak out. I am not saying this is a conspiracy, all I am saying is that it's against how I understood we've done things in the past and it takes away a big hallmark of the Design Team work for a reason that surely don't benefits the team members as design contributers.</div>
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It's precisely because Owen understands the visibility of the<br>
wallpaper that he went to great length to explain the nature of his<br>
request. So it's unfair to say anyone's not sensitive to that,<br>
because that seems to me to be the entire reason the request was made.<br>
I'd hope we're not becoming a team or project that has no ability to<br>
constructively address requests or find ways to promote great free<br>
software.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Maybe we as the Design Team should vote publicly on the request then.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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</div>Check out Owen's request again to see if it helps clarify this. He<br>
indicated this is a one-time branding opportunity to help GNOME 3 with<br>
marketing their release, and specifically set out reasons for the<br>
request.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>How exactly is it that they need marketing? They will be the default in Fedora and the official future of the Gnome project. I can see how Unity needs branding and a marketing boost, but that's because they aren't the official upstream shell. Did people need to explicitely advertise Nautilus when Gnome 2 came out?</div>
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</div>I'm not trying to appease anyone, I'm simply saying why I personally<br>
feel this could be a worthwhile one-time concession. Agree or<br>
disagree, but it's not necessary to attach conspiracy theories. I<br>
found out at the same time you did (well, later really, since I came<br>
into the discussion late, not being at the meeting, for which I<br>
apologize!).<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sorry, I really didn't want to make it sound like a conspiracy. It's just that they way Mo talked about this special request looked a bit odd in the IRC logs. Once again, I am sorry I couldn't be there and ask the questions in person at the time.</div>
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And personally I think creating wallpaper is not the biggest<br>
responsibility for the Design team. It may be one of the most widely<br>
visible ones, but it's not the most important IMHO. I think the most<br>
important responsibility of the team is handling the many requests for<br>
design from the community that come up regularly, both connected to<br>
releases and for completely ad-hoc tasks. Those requests help Fedora<br>
contributors have amazing presence at shows, create cool displays,<br>
attract people to the project, and so forth. Wallpaper is part of<br>
that responsibility, traditionally, but I don't think it's the<br>
overwhelming majority.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>OK, we definitely have a different view of the team then. Maybe it is because I haven't been on board that long. All I know is that people outside Fedora think that's what we are doing... May be a communication / PR issue then.</div>
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