I use VMs so I don't multi boot. I bypass this problem completely.<div><br></div><div>In regards to your quote: </div><div><br></div><div>"<span style>Yeah, it is annoying, but rejecting a change *only* because it is</span></div>
<span style>change isn't a strong argument. With such reasoning there wouldn't be</span><br style><span style>PCs in the first place (and btw. steam engine also works, doesn't</span><br style><span style>it, yet trains are now using diesel, if they are not using</span><br style>
<span style>electricity)... Still I think the changes between Fedora/Red Hat</span><br style><span style>releases are small compared to differences between</span><br style><span style>Fedora/Debian/(Open)Suse or between various M$ operating systems... So</span><br style>
<span style>either deal with it or decrease the number of concurrently "supported"</span><br style><span style>releases to sane number.</span><br style><br style><span style>You know, people who use Fedora (especially those that contribute) often</span><br style>
<span style>multi-boot and, frankly, menu like the following one (the kernel</span><br style><span style>versions are semi-random picks of sane numbers out of my head) isn't</span><br style><span style>exactly helpful:</span><br style>
<span style> * Fedora (kernel-3.6.0-1.fc17)</span><br style><span style> * Fedora (kernel-3.5.7-46.fc17)</span><br style><span style> * Fedora (kernel-3.5.7-42.fc17)</span><br style><span style> * Fedora (kernel-3.6.0-1.fc16)</span><br style>
<span style> * Fedora (kernel-3.5.7-46.fc16)</span><br style><span style> * Fedora (kernel-3.5.7-42.fc16)</span><br style><span style> * CentOS (kernel-2.16.31.4-35.el5)</span><br style><span style> * CentOS (kernel-2.16.31.3-30.el5)</span><br style>
<span style> * CentOS (kernel-2.16.31.2-21.el5)</span><br style><span style> * Microsoft Windows</span><br style><span style> * Memtest"</span><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div>
<font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif">I am a Fedora Packager, QA/Bug-triager, ambassador, and hopefully soon to be future design team member. I've been running Linux since 2.0.26. These are just my opinions. Do what you will. I have seen nothing but refutation from your side at this point.</font></div>
<div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font><div>fasaccount: vicodan</div><div>package maintained: BitchX</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Dan</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:00 AM, Martin Sourada <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:martin.sourada@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.sourada@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:40:38 -0700<br>
Dan Mashal wrote:<br>
> Again, I go with a "If it aint broke don't fix it" mentality into<br>
> things.<br>
><br>
> In my daily life I'm a sysadmin. Figuring out how to do something on<br>
> RHEL 5 vs RHEL 6 vs CentOS 5 vs CentOS 6 vs Fedora 13 Fedora 14<br>
> Fedora 15 Fedora 16 Fedora 17 Fedora 18 and what's different between<br>
> each and every single one is annoying in every day life at work.<br>
><br>
</div>Yeah, it is annoying, but rejecting a change *only* because it is<br>
change isn't a strong argument. With such reasoning there wouldn't be<br>
PCs in the first place (and btw. steam engine also works, doesn't<br>
it, yet trains are now using diesel, if they are not using<br>
electricity)... Still I think the changes between Fedora/Red Hat<br>
releases are small compared to differences between<br>
Fedora/Debian/(Open)Suse or between various M$ operating systems... So<br>
either deal with it or decrease the number of concurrently "supported"<br>
releases to sane number.<br>
<br>
You know, people who use Fedora (especially those that contribute) often<br>
multi-boot and, frankly, menu like the following one (the kernel<br>
versions are semi-random picks of sane numbers out of my head) isn't<br>
exactly helpful:<br>
* Fedora (kernel-3.6.0-1.fc17)<br>
* Fedora (kernel-3.5.7-46.fc17)<br>
* Fedora (kernel-3.5.7-42.fc17)<br>
* Fedora (kernel-3.6.0-1.fc16)<br>
* Fedora (kernel-3.5.7-46.fc16)<br>
* Fedora (kernel-3.5.7-42.fc16)<br>
* CentOS (kernel-2.16.31.4-35.el5)<br>
* CentOS (kernel-2.16.31.3-30.el5)<br>
* CentOS (kernel-2.16.31.2-21.el5)<br>
* Microsoft Windows<br>
* Memtest<br>
<br>
IMHO it is broken and always was (at the very least it always annoyed<br>
the hell out of me that fedora release number wasn't present). But<br>
still, currently it is more broken, because grub2-mkconfig writes<br>
sub-menued items, while kernel rpm updates grub2 still using the above<br>
method, which leads to combination of sub-menus and non-sub-menued<br>
items...<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Martin<br>
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