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Perhaps we can put some additional solution ideas forward.<br>
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As a quasi-novice kernel user I always found it helpful to have the
kernel versions visible. When I update Fedora and the nvidia blob
causes X to fail, I like being able to choose older versions because
I can't do anything else. When a pre-upgrade ends up with a
non-working version, I like to be able to run an older version to
stay productive while I research the problem.<br>
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I'm not an expert user but I don't think I'm novice either. I don't
see why we need to <b>hide</b> the older versions behind another
menu, just perhaps make it more clear that the old versions are
still functional but are not the latest on the machine.<br>
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Novice users have the "out" of saying "I don't know what this all
means but I know I want to launch the most current version". And if
they're dropped back here after a failure or two trying the current
version they can try the older versions.<br>
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This all assumes that we're limited to the current console-style
menu. If we can use HTML/CSS or some other layout and styling we
can make this info much more parse-able with styling and different
font sizes/layout. If we can do more than just console can someone
send a screenshot of what we can do, and maybe we can mock something
up?<br>
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Welcome to Fedora 17 (BeefyMiracle)<br>
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<b>Current Versions</b><br>
Fedora 17 (kernel-3.6.0-1.fc17)<br>
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Superceded Versions</b><br>
Fedora 17 (kernel-3.5.20-3.fc17)<br>
Fedora 17 (kernel-3.5.20-2.fc17)<br>
Fedora 16 (kernel-3.2.10-4.fc16)<br>
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<b>Other Operating Systems</b><br>
Microsoft Windows 7<br>
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Happy to hear thoughts on this approach.<br>
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Kirk<br>
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On 06/20/2012 02:00 AM, Martin Sourada wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:40:38 -0700
Dan Mashal wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Again, I go with a "If it aint broke don't fix it" mentality into
things.
In my daily life I'm a sysadmin. Figuring out how to do something on
RHEL 5 vs RHEL 6 vs CentOS 5 vs CentOS 6 vs Fedora 13 Fedora 14
Fedora 15 Fedora 16 Fedora 17 Fedora 18 and what's different between
each and every single one is annoying in every day life at work.
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<pre wrap="">Yeah, it is annoying, but rejecting a change *only* because it is
change isn't a strong argument. With such reasoning there wouldn't be
PCs in the first place (and btw. steam engine also works, doesn't
it, yet trains are now using diesel, if they are not using
electricity)... Still I think the changes between Fedora/Red Hat
releases are small compared to differences between
Fedora/Debian/(Open)Suse or between various M$ operating systems... So
either deal with it or decrease the number of concurrently "supported"
releases to sane number.
You know, people who use Fedora (especially those that contribute) often
multi-boot and, frankly, menu like the following one (the kernel
versions are semi-random picks of sane numbers out of my head) isn't
exactly helpful:
* Fedora (kernel-3.6.0-1.fc17)
* Fedora (kernel-3.5.7-46.fc17)
* Fedora (kernel-3.5.7-42.fc17)
* Fedora (kernel-3.6.0-1.fc16)
* Fedora (kernel-3.5.7-46.fc16)
* Fedora (kernel-3.5.7-42.fc16)
* CentOS (kernel-2.16.31.4-35.el5)
* CentOS (kernel-2.16.31.3-30.el5)
* CentOS (kernel-2.16.31.2-21.el5)
* Microsoft Windows
* Memtest
IMHO it is broken and always was (at the very least it always annoyed
the hell out of me that fedora release number wasn't present). But
still, currently it is more broken, because grub2-mkconfig writes
sub-menued items, while kernel rpm updates grub2 still using the above
method, which leads to combination of sub-menus and non-sub-menued
items...
Cheers,
Martin
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