<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 22:32, Adam Williamson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:awilliam@redhat.com">awilliam@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
> We're trying really hard to stay on message and keep people in the<br>
> wider community informed and then I see threads like this<br>
> <<a href="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-February/097081.html" target="_blank">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-February/097081.html</a>> where a Red Hat employee *paid* to work on the desktop somehow manages to throw factually inaccurate gasoline on an already burning fire. It's really disheartening.<br>
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> I actually banged my head on my desk when you did that.<br>
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I did ask you to correct me if I was wrong...but I'm not sure I was.<br>
That's the way I remember it being presented during the Test Day...and<br>
there's still no reboot option in GNOME 3 as of right now.<br>
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You may have banged your head on the desk, but you don't appear to have<br>
actually replied and provided correct information, whatever that may be;<br>
I don't see a single post from you in that thread. I don't actually see<br>
a post from anyone on the desktop or GNOME teams.<br></blockquote><div><br>I saw the flurry of frantic IRC conversations among your coworkers scrambling to figure out which one of them was going to set you straight. That's the only reason I was made aware of the thread.<br>
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It's also not easy to find the correct information. People who have<br>
issues with GNOME 3 design are generally referred to <a href="http://gnome3.org" target="_blank">gnome3.org</a>, or the<br>
FAQ at <a href="http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/FAQ" target="_blank">http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/FAQ</a> , or the design<br>
whiteboards at <a href="http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards" target="_blank">http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards</a> ;<br>
I've been looking through all this stuff for ten minutes and I can't<br>
find anything that accurately reflects the current actual status of the<br>
shutdown/restart/suspend design. The document on this -<br>
<a href="http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/SystemStopRestart" target="_blank">http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/SystemStopRestart</a> -<br>
refers explicitly to a 'Restart' option which does not exist in my<br>
up-to-date F15 system. So what *is* the party line here, anyway?<br></blockquote><div><br>What I hope you would take away from my admonishment and suggestion is only the suggestion component: lurk on the IRC channel so you can pop over and ask *before* you respond. Often times, the discussion to come up with the right response is itself informative.<br>
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I'm not paid to work on the desktop, by the way. I'm paid to test stuff,<br>
or rather, to facilitate community testing of stuff. As far as that<br>
goes, I will work professionally to ensure that we do as much as we can<br>
to test that GNOME 3 does what it's designed to do. But *personally*,<br>
I'm just a GNOME user - a longstanding GNOME user - who is, like many<br>
other GNOME users, rather frustrated by a lot of the design choices made<br>
in GNOME 3, which seem to target a potential audience whose chances of<br>
materializing are at best dubious, in preference to the audience of<br>
real, existing GNOME users. I perfectly understand the different<br>
possible positions on this, but I assert my right to represent mine. I'm<br>
raising my personal issues here, I'm not representing Red Hat or Fedora<br>
QA.<br></blockquote><div><br>Sure. And I understand that. But I think you might feel differently if you had a chance to get a more nuanced answer from the decision makers involved in an interactive forum like IRC and then you could, perhaps, pass along that nuanced position more effectively.<br>
<br>You *are* doing a good job as evidenced by the vast majority of the messages that you send to test@ but I hope that you see that I'm suggesting a subtle change in your work flow that might, at least, make the F15 release go slightly better.<br>
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