<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'><br>Forwarded from test list.<br><hr id="zwchr"><b>From: </b>"John Dulaney" <j_dulaney@live.com><br><b>To: </b>"Fedora QA" <test@lists.fedoraproject.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, June 5, 2011 8:28:45 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>RE: Proposal: Too similar application names<br><br>
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<br>> That all said, question remains on what to actually do on this. In a<br>> long term I'd suggest trying advocate that there is a appropriate<br>> solution based in the upstream, might it be pop-ups (sounds reasonable<br>> to do for all the desktop environments) or something based on how KDE<br>> does it. Although having upstream to do something is, like I said -<br>> long term. Thus let's decide on what to do about this now.<br>> <br>> I'd say that a number of cases this relates to is limited to a fairly<br>> small number. I am counting:<br>> - Software Update/Software Updates<br>> - System Monitor<br>> - Terminal<br>> - system-config-(e.g. date) vs. gnome control panel applets<br>> (and likely a few more).<br>> <br>> As a compromise between getting rid of the problem (user annoyance...)<br>> completely and the amount of work that would have to be done, I suggest<br>> that we simply target these applications and modify the desktop files<br>> so that they become distinguishable. That means in the menus and on the<br>> first sight, whatever *.desktop field is responsible for that in particular<br>> environments. Should we manage to push having a popup in Upstream, that<br>> would be great later on.<br><br>I agree, this is a good starting point. I don't really see the point of the popups,<br>but if other folks think they're necessary, I won't argue.<br><br><br><br>> Now, should we agree on this quickfix now, how to do that? Am I right<br>> that this would mean asking the maintainers of these cca 10 packages to<br>> change the *.desktop files in the packaging process? Do the *.desktop<br>> files come from upstream or are they made or at least modified already<br>> by Fedora? I suppose it would be better if they already get modified,<br>> as then the single extra edit would be less painful for maintainers.<br>> Still - sounds relatively painless.<br><br>In theory, the technical side should be a thirty second fix. The issue would<br>be deciding new names. Some things shouldn't be too difficult, such as<br>renaming Software Updates to Software Sources.<br><br>> We can also consider making a simple (e.g. targeting just default live<br>> installs) release criterion that would "force" such, though I'd think<br>> having it done on "voluntary" basis is more appropriate.<br><br>I wonder if this should be a QA test? It would help with improving the<br>end product for us to check things like this, but it is also fairly subjective<br>as to what constitutes as 'too similar.' I'm for it, but the aforementioned <br>subjective nature makes coming up with a clear release criteria difficult.<br><br>John.<br>
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