<div dir="ltr"><div>You completely missed the whole point of my post. <br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
You wrote:<br>That's just not feasible. Even though our MATE maintainers invest a<br>great amount of effort to keep it going, there just aren't enough of<br>them to maintain a collection of software as big as Gnome 2 as Fedora's<br>
primary desktop.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>It will involve equal development resources and effort to adapt Gnome 3 Shell to the Workstation use-case and the traditional workstation metaphor. Workstation's have a totally different set of requirements and expectations than Desktops. You can't play around with the UI/UX at all with a Workstation, it has a conservative nature.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">You wrote:<br><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">innovate. Not exactly a good match for Fedora, right?</span> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">They have to play catch-up for a while before they can even start to<br>
</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Most workstation users today either use Mac OS, Windows 7 or if they're on Linux they're still using Gnome 2 in older versions of RHEL. The point is that if you intend on having a meaningful user-base moving to anything but Gnome 2 and the traditional desktop metaphor is not possible with this product.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Try telling Windows workstation users to abandon Windows 7 and jump to Windows 8 and you'll see what I mean.</div><div><br></div><div>One of the major goals of the Workstation PRD was:</div><div><br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Work towards standardizing and unifying the Linux desktop space<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>link: <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Workstation_PRD">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Workstation_PRD</a> </div><div> </div><div>Gnome 2 has several "modern" different forks; Unity, Cinnamon and Gnome Shell. These have all resulted in a Linux desktop space that's fragmented and in serious decline. If you intend on unifying the desktop space you have to start at square one, back to Gnome 2. Mate is currently moving to GTK 3 and when that happens which is soon, you'll be able to start bringing current Gnome programs and make then integrate better. </div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">In the next major release of MATE it is going to support GTK3 while still being compatible with GTK2 as well. The development is mainly done by Semmu under Google Summer of Code 2013, with the help of the main MATE developers. You can follow the development at Semmu's GSoC blog.</blockquote>
<div> </div><div>link: <a href="http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/status:gtk">http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/status:gtk</a></div><div><br></div><div> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Lars Seipel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lars.seipel@gmail.com" target="_blank">lars.seipel@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Sat, Feb 01, 2014 at 12:42:12PM -0500, Alex GS wrote:<br>
> it should be a TRUE workstation-class product.<br>
<br>
</div>You mean RISC CPUs and a proprietary Unix? ;-)<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Fedora Workstation = Core + Mate (Gnome 2 + Compton and/or Mutter)<br>
<br>
</div>That's just not feasible. Even though our MATE maintainers invest a<br>
great amount of effort to keep it going, there just aren't enough of<br>
them to maintain a collection of software as big as Gnome 2 as Fedora's<br>
primary desktop.<br>
<br>
Now looking at upstream MATE's git there are two people working on it in<br>
a regular manner (hope I didn't miss someone) and MATE relies on a whole<br>
bunch of stuff that is dead upstream …<br>
<br>
They have to play catch-up for a while before they can even start to<br>
innovate. Not exactly a good match for Fedora, right?<br>
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Lars<br>
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