<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span> Want to weigh in on this soon. Making sure I get a clean boot from F20, going to put</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span> my white hat back on and figure everything out (at least by being a crash test</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent;
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style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Thursday, July 17, 2014 12:56 PM, Allan Day <allanpday@gmail.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container">Michael Catanzaro <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mcatanzaro@gnome.org" href="mailto:mcatanzaro@gnome.org">mcatanzaro@gnome.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">...<br clear="none">> I've sent out [1]<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> [1]<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://lists.fedorahosted.org/pipermail/crash-catcher/2014-July/005535.html" target="_blank">https://lists.fedorahosted.org/pipermail/crash-catcher/2014-July/005535.html</a><br clear="none">...<br clear="none"><br clear="none">A good first step would
be to draw up a list of ARBT bugs that we feel<br clear="none">are critical for the Workstation user experience (this one [1]<br clear="none">immediately springs to mind.) We should also ensure that any critical<br clear="none">issues have been reported. It would be fantastic if someone could take<br clear="none">this on.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Second, we (or I...) need to do a design review to see where we are<br clear="none">and where we want to be with regards to the problem reporting user<br clear="none">experience. There is a lot of background material that we can draw on<br clear="none">here [2].<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Once we've done these two steps, we'll be in a position to have a<br clear="none">constructive conversation with the ABRT team.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">There is also a more general issue here: traditionally, the Fedora<br clear="none">release process has had a fairly limited definition of what<br
clear="none">constitutes a blocker, and there isn't a huge amount of downstream bug<br clear="none">tracking in the run up to a release. If we want to raise the quality<br clear="none">of the overall workstation experience, we'll need to expand the range<br clear="none">of issues that are tracked for each release to include more general<br clear="none">user experience bugs. This might well require changes to the<br clear="none">workstation release process, as well as new release management roles.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Allan<br clear="none"><br clear="none">[1] <a shape="rect" href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1050154" target="_blank">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1050154</a><br clear="none">[2] <a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/ProblemReporting" target="_blank">https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/ProblemReporting</a><div class="yqt1697701039" id="yqtfd31689"><br clear="none">-- <br
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