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On 09/01/2014 07:19 AM, Elad Alfassa wrote:<br>
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> On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Bastien Nocera
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> Hey Pete,<br>
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> > I'm working on the release notes here - should there
be any special<br>
> > hardware recommendations for Workstation? The
'requirements[1]' drafted<br>
> > are deliberately open-ended, because Fedora can be
stripped down or<br>
> > built up to run *something* on most any modern
machine. Workstation is<br>
> > a specific thing though, and while LLVMpipe can
[often?] get gnome-shell<br>
> > running, it isn't a great experience. Maybe not the
UX context you want<br>
> > Workstation to be used in.<br>
> ><br>
> > Thoughts?<br>
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> Can we split that into a "minimum" and "recommended"
variants?<br>
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> The minimum would be what's mentioned in "minimum system
configuration" plus the<br>
> mention of "CPU accelerated graphics" and minimum
resolution.<br>
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> The recommended would be what's currently in "Minimum
Hardware for Accelerated Desktops".<br>
> Possibly with 2GB of RAM (so that integrated graphics
don't impact us quite as much).<br>
><br>
> Does that make sense?<br>
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> Cheers<br>
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> Hey<br>
> I think 2GB is a good "recommended" value, and that 1GB
should be the "minimal". From my tests in VMs, 1GB is barely
usable (I assume that 1GB on actual hardware with non-integrated
graphics would be a bit faster, but still).<br>
> However, "hardware accelerated graphics" shouldn't be in the
minimal - people will still run Workstation on VM platforms where
it's unavailable, eg. KVM/spice, we don't want them to think it's
impossible to run our own OS on our own virtualization platform.<br>
> I think it would make more sense for "Hardware accelerated
graphics" to be in the recommended section.<br>
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> -- <br>
> -Elad Alfassa.<br>
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When I was originally drafting the Hardware Requirements copy, I
tried to stay away from the minimum/recommended distinction. It
isn't easy to draw a line and say "on this side you will have a
great experience, and on this side you will have a merely functional
experience, and across this other line it probably won't run at
all." I think users can generally understand "more is better", and
make an appropriate judgment based on explanation of the factors
involved and available options. Following that line of thinking, we
could say *suggest* at least 2GB of RAM, with a caveat that less RAM
might be a compromise some could find acceptable, and more RAM would
be better.<br>
<br>
WRT the actual figure, systems that are preconfigured with 2GB of
RAM are probably going to be mid/high Pentium 4 era systems, or
low/mid range Core2Dou era systems with i915 -ie 4 years or more out
of production. A suggest/recommend of 4GB RAM would put you in the
area of modern low-end systems and older mid/high end systems.
Looking at RAM in isolation, 4GB is probably excessive, but the
class of system that comes with <4GB OOTB may generally not be
able to deliver an "acceptable" experience.<br>
<br>
Just food for thought - the stated hardware recommendations for
Workstation can of course be whatever the Workstation group deems
appropriate.<br>
<br>
KVM/QXL/Spice is effectively hardware acceleration; I'll elaborate
on that further in the thread.<br>
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- -- <br>
- -- Pete Travis<br>
- Fedora Docs Project Leader<br>
- 'randomuser' on freenode<br>
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