<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Máirín Duffy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:duffy@fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">duffy@fedoraproject.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<span class=""><br>
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On 09/16/2014 12:18 PM, Ryan Lerch wrote:<br>
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The ease of finding and installing an office suite when there isn't one<br>
installed by default would be something that would make a great user<br>
test scenario before yanking libreoffice.<br>
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Both the scenarios of opening an exisiting file, and trying to create a<br>
document -- some of the things to consider could be:<br>
* what people search for -- (do all users use "Word Processor", or just<br>
"Word") </blockquote></span></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
* if they search for a word processor in Software, does LO show up as a<br>
"best bet" or do other applications like abiword or calligra show up? --<br>
a default here may help the user because they are getting the software<br>
that may be considered "the best"<br></blockquote></span></blockquote><div><br>Searching for "word" lists mostly unrelevant stuff at the top of the list, but
that's an easy fix - LibreOffice just needs to add "word" as a keyword
in the desktop file or appdata.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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+1<br>
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Let's also talk about our target users (and run the test Ryan suggested above on them.) We're looking at targeting app developers, right?<br>
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- Are app developers typically bandwidth-constrained?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No. But targeting developers does not mean we need to provide subpar experience to non-developers. If we want to encourage more people (even people who are not professional developers right now) to become developers, we need to create a platform accessible for everyone - the first step to developing is to be able to use the platform properly.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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- Do app developers need an office suite? Do they create content using one? Do they consume content that requires having one? (Say a requirements doc from a product manager?)<br>
<br></blockquote><div>Some do, some don't. I get requirement docs on email or intranet sites, and sometimes on PDFs, so I don't need an office suite.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
- If they need it, they have to download it at some point. Either before install, or after install. Is the payload the same whether or not it ships in the image or if it's pull down via yum, right? So if they need the tool, how does pulling it from the image save them bandwidth? (would keeping it in the image save them bandwidth since if they obtained the image via local means / repositories / etc typically available to developers they'd only use internal network and not have to go external?)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No, there shouldn't be much difference.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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- Would an app developer prefer to have the software included in the install image or would they prefer to download it when it was needed?<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I assume this would vary from person to person. Not all developers are the same person.<br></div><div>People testing their apps on VMs will have it easier if our default install would be smaller, for example, because they'll need to allocate less disk space for the VM.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><font color="#888888">
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~m</font></span><div class=""><div class="h5"><br>
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