<p dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mcatanzaro@gnome.org">mcatanzaro@gnome.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> And I should be open-minded; I am just skeptical is all.<br>
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It's understandable. You're comfortable with WebKit, and there's been a considerable amount of time invested in it but I'll just mention the sunken costs fallacy.</p>
<p dir="ltr">> There's actually a fairly big team working on WebKit and WebKitGTK+ in particular. (This is a huge maintenance effort.) <br>
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Well you can't control what apple works on, but if CEF resulted in less developer burden for gnome folks I can't imagine that wouldn't be welcomed. For that to happen, however, gtk folks would need to take a serious look at CEF3.</p>
<p dir="ltr">>Who is going to do the work of porting GNOME away to something else? (That would be a large amount of work.) Will you be able to have nice things like GTK+ widgets (nope) and gstreamer multimedia (probably hard?)? Can Servo render pages anywhere near as accurately as WebKit? (Probably not for a long time?)<br>
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Honestly, GNOME wasn't my primary concern. I've largely given up on trying to make sense of it (nothing personal, Michael; this has just been my experience over the last five or so years), and, likewise, encouraging GNOME folks to examine other directions.</p>
<p dir="ltr">To answer some of your questions:<br>
1. I'd be surprised if you couldn't have "widgets" (I believe the "widgets" you're referring to here are UI components rather than osx-type standalone widgets, the latter of which we could absolutely do... and should... but that's more of a fedora issue, I think) but I know gtk might have some issues integrating with CEF. CEF is meant to be integrated into native environments, after all.<br>
2. You can use the pepper plugin system to run gstreamer pipelines (a very quick Google search confirmed this), there might be other ways as well but I didn't investigate further. <br>
3. Servo currently can't render everything perfectly but that's why cef is so nice: you still have chromium/blink to fall back on. That alone is a SOLID upgrade over WebKit.</p>
<p dir="ltr">> WebKitGTK+ actually has a strict policy of not bumping dependencies until the next API version, to allow distros to update to the latest stable version whenever desired.<br>
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Sure, but the browser world moves too fast for that... and that brings me back to the original point of all this: making use of the Mozilla marketplace. I've relayed my experience, and while it's good that webkitgtk+ can now make use of indexedDB apps, it's always going to be chasing Mozilla/chromium as they have massive teams dedicated to pushing forward the state of the art, along with excellent qa. </p>
<p dir="ltr">I'll say it once again: Mozilla is exactly the kind of org Fedora (and GNOME) should be working with. The fact that they also produce a best-in-class product makes such a collaboration all the more beneficial. </p>
<p dir="ltr">> But well, if someone does the work, I won't complain. Happy Tuesday!<br>
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And to you, Michael!</p>