<div dir="ltr">Sorry to repeat myself, but like I wrote in my previous post the default chat client for Fedora Workstation needs much better Office 365 and Lync integration:<div><br></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Most organizations and academic institutions are migrating to Office 365 as they reduce their in-house physical server count, consolidate licenses and go "to the cloud". These same organizations also have a large inventory of existing Windows desktops that could be turned into Fedora Workstations instead of taking the expensive route of buying Macs. There's a huge potential WIN here to provide major cost-savings to organizations and provide a cutting-edge Linux environment that will beat the poorly implement UNIX-like environment of Mac OS X.</span></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">2. Empathy/Pidgin currently doesn't support enough features from Lync (now Skype for Business) [1] - the Microsoft enterprise communication tool - and that's a show stopper. You can't do video calls, you can't initiate meetings and you can't do screen-sharing or file-transfers.</span></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">The real problem is integration with enterprise services and that's the big challenge ahead for Workstation.</span></blockquote><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">According to the WG product description for Fedora Workstation you want to target university, enterprise (corporate) and tech-companies and that pretty much comprises 90% of the users you want to attract. </span><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Most users in the real world (corporate, university or tech-company) use Google Hangouts, Skype or Lync (now Skype for Business) and in some cases just plain IRC. For meetings there's typically Goto Meeting which currently has no Linux client. </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">[1] <a href="http://next.skypeforbusiness.com/">http://next.skypeforbusiness.com/</a></span><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Ananda Samaddar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ananda.samaddar@zoho.com" target="_blank">ananda.samaddar@zoho.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 07:18:29 -0400 (EDT)<br>
Jiri Eischmann <<a href="mailto:jeischma@redhat.com">jeischma@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> ----- Original Message -----<br>
> From: "Ananda Samaddar" <<a href="mailto:ananda.samaddar@zoho.com">ananda.samaddar@zoho.com</a>><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org">desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org</a><br>
> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 7:29:20 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: Re: Instant Messaging in Fedora Workstation<br>
><br>
> I'm a bit concerned about the enthusiasm for Telegram. The clients<br>
> may be FOSS but the server software isn't. In addition to this the<br>
> use of a central server is troubling with respect to metadata<br>
> collection.<br>
><br>
> Has anyone considered Tox? It's a FOSS replacement for Skype and<br>
> doesn't rely on a central server. It's still in a pre-alpha state but<br>
> has several working clients. I've tested qTox and it works nicely<br>
> with sound and video through a firewall. There was a Gtk client<br>
> (Venom) but it's deprecated.<br>
><br>
> A large project like Fedora being interested in Tox could make all the<br>
> difference and increase traction to help move it towards a stable and<br>
> feature complete release. I've noticed several people mentioning OTR.<br>
> Tox has encryption built in.<br>
><br>
> I could go on about it but the information is on their website and the<br>
> code is available for perusal.<br>
><br>
> Ananda<br>
><br>
> Tox was also mentioned by several users, but the number was much<br>
> smaller compared to Telegram. There is a Tox repository available in<br>
> Copr BTW: <a href="https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/gnikandrov/tox-im/" target="_blank">https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/gnikandrov/tox-im/</a><br>
><br>
> The server part of Telegram is closed source, but they've promised to<br>
> open source it when it's ready. The API/protocol is open, existing<br>
> clients are open, the server side is promised to be open in near<br>
> future. I don't think Telegram scores badly in terms of openness.<br>
> What they're not planning is an infrastructure of independent servers<br>
> though.<br>
><br>
> Jiri<br>
<br>
</div></div>Therein lies the biggest issues with Telegram: it depends on proprietary<br>
server code and also federation is not planned. I consider these to be<br>
significant problems. Telegram 'promising' to release the code to<br>
their server is not good enough in my opinion. I hate to go<br>
Stallman (although I have the utmost respect for RMS) on you but<br>
Telegram users are still tied to the perceived and/or actual benevolence<br>
of the server vendor.<br>
<br>
Tox is already p2p and cross platform. The only cross platfrom FOSS<br>
voip application that springs to mind is Jitsi. Tox works through a<br>
firewall; both my machines have the default firewall settings from the<br>
netinstall iso, i.e. fairly restrictive.<br>
<br>
If popularity is an important criterion then surely Skype would be top<br>
of the list for inclusion in Fedora and Gnome. For reasons too obvious<br>
to state that won't and shouldn't happen. There appears to be a<br>
chicken-egg scenario here unfortunately with regards to Tox.<br>
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Ananda<br>
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