Xorg 1.5 missed the train?
gbillios at gmail.com
Sat May 10 20:53:45 UTC 2008
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Xorg 1.5 missed the train?
From: Jeff Spaleta <jspaleta at gmail.com>
To: Development discussions related to Fedora <fedora-devel-list at redhat.com>
Date: Sat 10 May 2008 11:17:37 PM EEST
> On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 11:32 AM, George Billios <gbillios at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> It seems that Xorg 1.5 will not be part of F9 - how could it since it is not
>> even released yet.
>> This raises the (theoretical - fedora 9 will ship either way) question,
>> should fedora ship with an development version of Xorg ?
> I think you mean Xorg 7.4... which xorg-server 1.5 will be one component of.
So you mean that you can ship one without the other ? ;|
> This is a non-issue. We've released pre-release components before for
> other important components. And we will continue doing it as long as
> their is trust that the maintainers on the components are working
> closely and actively with upstream with regard to patching the bugs.
> Did you happen to have a specific upstream Xorg release 7.4 blocker
> bug in mind that you are particularly concerned about?
> Somehow I doubt its important for us to slip a major component like
> xorg-server over something like an alpha architecture compiling bug
> which isn't relevant to Fedora's ability to ship a usable xorg-server
> to our users...at all. And you have to also concede that Xorg bugs
> dating to up to a year prior to the release of X11R7.3 probably aren't
> going to be hard blockers on X11R7.4 either. Even upstream realizes
> that you can't fix all the bugs before you make a release.
>> Now its too late to change anything but I would appreciate some input here
>> because it's a big deal to ship with a development version of one of the
>> most important components.
> it's less of a big deal than you make it out to be. We've done this
> before with 'major' componetns.... we'll do it again. You have to
> accept the fact we are never going to be able to ship 100% bug-free
> code on release day.. no matter how much we slip any particular
> release deadline. Bugs will exist, and decisions have to be made
> concern the severity and impact of those bugs individually. All bugs
> are not made equal. It's the same process upstream projects go
> through. And it may very well be that the important bugs blocking an
> upstream release are out of scope for a Fedora release specifically.
> if you are not watching the upstream process closely then you are not
> in a position to make an informed judgment.
> We put a significant amount of integration testing into the new the
> xorg components as they haven been coming along, and if the maintainer
> in question felt things were not in good shape in terms where upstream
> was at we would have regressed by now.
I'm not reffering to any bug in particular but to the whole 'trying to
release Xorg 7.4 based on F9 release schedule' concept that happened here.
True, I don't know and monitor every bug that has been reported in
fedora bugzilla or upstream but taking into account that Xorg 7.4
doesn't even have a RC and that 2 months ago everything was supposed to
be going as scheduled, I had to ask. Besides searching the mail list I
found zero issues about this in the last 2 months!
> -jef"wonders when you'll notice how far away from current upstream
> 'release' our F9 gdm is"spaleta
Don't let me start on gdm....
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