[HEADS-UP] systemd for F14 - the next steps

[James Antill]

On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 10:58 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Lennart Poettering (mzerqung at 0pointer.de) said: 
> > Since the acceptance by FESCO it has been added to Rawhide together with
> > patched or updated versions of a few related packages. However, what has
> > not been done so far is making it the default in Rawhide. So far it does
> > not "Obsolete" Upstart yet, just "Conflicts" with it. With this mail I
> > want to notify everybody that I am planning to do this change very soon
> > now (tomorrow?). Then, systemd will be pulled in onto your rawhide
> > system and is used exclusively for booting (so far, you can still choose
> > between it and upstart in grub, with a default on upstart), and problems
> > booting should be reported to systemd in rhbz then.
> 
> This seems a little backwards. If we want to support both, then we need
> to just leave it as 'Conflicts', and we'll just flip the default in
> comps. By marking it as 'Obsoletes', you effectively make it impossible
> to still boot with upstart, as it will be removed in any yum update.

 But then nobody will have systemd by default, it'll requiring using
"yum shell" to manually move to it and thus. it'll get very little
testing.
 I'd suggest one of two things:

1. Have systemd "Obsolete: upstart <= 0.6.5-5.fc14", and then bump the
release on upstart. This means people doing "yum update" will move to
systemd, but people will have a choice by upgrading upstart.

2. Have systemd "Obsolete: upstart <= 0.6.5-5.fc13", this means anyone
moving to rawhide _after_ will get systemd and anyone on rawhide can
also do "downgrade upstart" and then "install systemd".

...#1 seems better, assuming we want most people to be testing systemd.