Another great update

[Toshio Kuratomi]

On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 12:03:57PM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> My reason to comment on those threads on devel list is really just that I
> want to retain the freedom to decide when my updates are ready to be
> released. I'm responsible for giving them adequate testing. Users
> expect the packager not to release broken crap. I don't want to wait for
> +N karma that previous updates haven't gotten either while new bugzilla
> tickets have shown that a problem *is* affecting N>1 users.
> If there are technical requirements for an update to make a temporary halt
> in updates-testing for a day, e.g. for scripts to be run (and mind you,
> repoclosure is run on updates-testing, too), fine. I can live with that.
> Just no silly rules, please, such as arbitrary "autoqa"-scripts getting
> veto powers to block updates, if perhaps rpmlint complains about a spec
> file. No experiments, please, just because some packagers are upgrade-mad.
> 
+1

> > When version X of a software is supported in F-12, the same version X
> > can be supported most of the time in F-11. And if it can be supported,
> > it should be supported.
> 
> "Can be supported" as in "if it builds, push it as an upgrade"?
> Wishful thinking. This is exactly why Fedora releases are _not_ supported
> for two years or more. Most package maintainers ought to focus on one
> dist release (at most two), as their daily usage only covers one dist,
> too. [The exception being those packagers who *really* run some software
> on multiple dist releases in the same way.]
>
One problem I'm finding here is that we've suddenly exploded the number of
releases we care about updating in the normal bugfix case.  Currently, F-14,
F-13, and F-12.   As you say, typical developers can really only test on one
of those because they're doing their daily work on only one.  Rawhide has
traditionally had a lack of developers running it so we could say it's no
worse than normal.  F-13, OTOH is being pushed as something for people to
actually run if they want a more adventurous update style.  That means
developers who run F-13 won't be testing their updates to F-12 anymore and
developers running F-12 won't be testing their updates for the people
consuming F-13.... I think this is something we should be thinking about as
we push these discussions forward.

-Toshio
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