xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

[Matej Cepl]

Peter Lemenkov, Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:24:00 +0400:
> In fact the backlog for Mozilla-related packages is even bigger, because
> (due to the fact that MoFo products are unmaintainable at all) many of
> them were closed automatically with new Fedora releases.

It would be really helpful if instead of calling programs 
"unmaintainable" and similar non-sense you would research a bit what 
really is the problem ... take a look at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/
buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=all%20NEW%20abrt%
20crashes&sharer_id=74116 ... that's 1473 NEW untriaged abrt bugs. There 
is absolutely nothing unmaintainable on that, only plenty of people who 
are calling MoFo and everybody names but they are not willing to move 
their butt and help triage this (and yes, abrt seems to be slightly 
better now, so the backlog shouldn't hopefully be increasing that much).

> So no excuse here, please - just allow us fixing bugs.

There is absolutely no permission required. I saw plenty of patches which 
were accepted upstream and just few which were rejected with always 
clearly stated reasons (not that I agree with all of those reasons, but 
again before calling Firefox proprietary product, it would be nice to 
educate yourself).

Concerning CLOSED/UPSTREAM resolution ... again, I am not happy with it 
myself, but instead of calling MoFo proprietary a bit of patches (this 
time on bugs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400598, https://
bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294608, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/
show_bug.cgi?id=356853, and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?
id=569371) would be helpful. How is your Perlfoo? See what I wrote on 
this theme before (http://article.gmane.org/
gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/79936/) and feel free to provide patches 
for some better solution of the situation. I can assure you, that well 
written patches will be welcomed upstream.

> we MUST replace proprietary MoFo products with open
> alternatives.

Who is "we"?

I certainly don't intend to replace for my personal needs Firefox with 
either of Chromium (ehm, that's an example of open development, right?), 
Opera, Epiphany (too simple for my needs, sorry ... I like those guys and 
I was using Epiphany for years, but it is just too little too late for my 
personal use), galeon (you would need miraculous powers to revive this 
dead corpse), or any non-Gnome alternative. If we (whoever it is) must do 
something, then where are *your* patches? (http://slashdot.org/
features/98/10/13/1423253.shtml)

Maybe you want to maintain iceweasel & co. in Fedora? Good luck, but not 
for me, thanks.

Best,

Matěj
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