systemd: Is it wrong?

Steve Clark sclark at netwolves.com
Sun Jul 10 20:32:01 UTC 2011


On 07/10/2011 11:32 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 05:46:18AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
>
>> I disagree. It doesn't suck. It's the way UNIX and Linux have done this
>> for dozens of years, and it's the way countless sysadmins know and love.
>> "Sucks" might be true from the point of view of "hey look at this great
>> thing I just designed", but it's very much not true from the point of
>> view of the sysadmin working on the weekend who's just thinking "gee,
>> what the heck is going on, why won't this just work how it has done for
>> the past twenty years?". In other words "suck" depends on viewpoint.
> The big kernel lock doesn't suck. It's the way SMP UNIX did things for
> dozens of years, and it's the way countless kernel hackers know and
> love. "Sucks" might be true from the point of view of "hey look at this
> great fine-grained locking I just designed", but it's very much not true
> from the poit of the driver author working on the weekend who's just
> thinking "gee, what the heck is going on, why won't this just work how
> it has done for the past twenty years?". In other words "suck" depends
> on viewpoint.
>
> Improvement means change, and change will inevitably upset some people
> who would prefer to do things in exactly the same way that they always
> have done. If we assert that all viewpoints are equally valid then every
> single thing we've done in Fedora sucks. In this case there are sound
> technical arguments against configuration by command line argument or
> environment variable (just like there are against the BKL), and while we
> should obviously attempt to make any transition as painless as possible
> for administrators, that doesn't serve as a counter to those technical
> arguments. They suck. Unarguably.
>
What are the benefits of systemd - other than it is the new fantastic, wonderful latest gizmo!

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