What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?

[Aleksandar Kurtakov]

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Williamson" <awilliam at redhat.com>
> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" <devel at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 5:06:04 PM
> Subject: Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?
> 
> On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 15:30 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> > IMHO use of software collections is a symptom of a badly run
> > organisation
> > not devoting enough cycles to maintain the software it uses, and
> > hoping
> > (as in wishful thinking) no problem will go critical before the
> > product
> > they built on top of those collections is end-of-lifed
> > 
> > I completely fail to see how entities with that problem will manage
> > to
> > maintain the package number explosion creating software collections
> > will
> > induce.
> 
> On the one hand, I agree completely - I think the 'share all
> dependencies dynamically' model that Linux distros have traditionally
> embraced is the right one, and that we're a strong vector for
> spreading
> the gospel when it comes to that model, and it'd be a shame to
> compromise that.
> 
> On the other hand, we've been proselytizing the Java heretics for
> over a
> decade now, and the Ruby ones for a while, and neither shows any
> signs
> of conversion or just plain going away, so we may have to call it an
> ecumenical matter and deal with their models somehow. Sucky as it may
> be. I don't know, I'm a bit conflicted.

As someone familiar with the Java ecosystem (at least a bit :) I would disagree with you Adam.
Our opinion starts to matter and we are starting to make changes aka upstreams are willing to accept our changes and the process is accelerating. It would be very sad if we gave up now. We have big influence over the Eclipse ecosystem, we start to have influence over the Java buildsystems, and etc.
P.S. Small clarification needed - when I say Java I mean things that run on top of the JVM BUT Java EE. Even I lost hope on that part.


Alexander Kurtakov
Red Hat Eclipse team

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