replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

[Kay Sievers]

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Konstantin Ryabitsev
<icon at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Kay Sievers <kay at vrfy.org> wrote:
>>> So, in other words, all our existing log analysis tools have to be
>>> modified if they are to be of any use in Fedora 18?
>>
>> What part of "Run the syslog daemon like you always did, if you need
>> syslog files." did you not understand?
>
> Well, hang on, Kay. My understanding was that we're trying to make
> syslog an optional install in Fedora 18 (or is it 19?).

Surely not f18, and there is not even a feature for f19 as of now.

> If that is the
> case, then even if I require rsyslog for a package, that won't work
> unless rsyslog is started and running.

Services can pull-in service dependencies to start stuff they depend
on, it's unreleated RPM dependencies.

> So, sysadmin's experience
> changes:
>
> Was: Install logwatch.
> Becomes: Install logwatch. Make sure you install and enable rsyslog.
>
> I just want to make sure people are aware of the change.

Ah, sorry that I was just unable to translate: "all our existing log
analysis tools have to be modified if they are to be of any use in
Fedora" to "just want to make sure ... you install and enable
rsyslog". :)

Kay