Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

["Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"]

On 02/01/2013 11:14 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On 1 February 2013 15:57, Miloslav Trmač <mitr at volny.cz> wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Bill Nottingham <notting at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> In any case, to look at 'we have this functionality... now what':
>> For the sake of completeness, the default is 0) Avoid all the
>> arguments and work, and continue using existing files.
>>
>> Is there actually a noticeable benefit in migrating?  We will help
>> Linux win neither on the desktop nor in the cloud by tinkering with
>> something admins are not supposed to touch :)
>>
>> So far I can see:
>> A. Disk space usage in minimal systems has been mentioned: but cronie
>> is 200 kB, that's almost a waste of breath.
>> B. Cron's facility to submit jobs by unprivileged users to a daemon
>> running as root is a possible privilege escalation path; removing it
>> from the minimal (or even default) installation would remove a
>> possible risk (as long as we don't introduce an equivalent one as a
>> replacement.)
>> C. If we remove cron, is there anything left that needs the local MTA?
>>   Removing the local MTA would be similar to removing cron, only more
>> so.
> I expect that in that case, systemd would expand until it became an
> MTA .. whether or not the main developers wanted it to :).
>
> Every program attempts to expand until it can send mail. Those
> programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can.
>
> [misquoted from Zawinski]

When it does every current traditional "monitoring" system become 
obsolete but the resistance to venture into the inevitable exist upstream..

JBG