Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

[drago01]

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Martin Sourada <martin.sourada at gmail.com> wrote:

>  * Gnome devs didn't learn from KDE's mistake (the release of beta
>    stuff as 4.0) and went even further. Users affected by only this
>    might return (like Linus did).

I can't recall that many stability bugs getting reported against GNOME
3.0 ... so [citation needed].

>  * Gnome 3's target audience does not enclose majority of Gnome 2's
>    target audience, though it *does* have some intersection. Many of
>    those are seeing this as arrogance.

Being different does not imply different target audience ... same
thing and discussion happened when GNOME 2.0 got released.
Now the haters from back then want GNOME 2.0 back ;)

>  * Some trivial stuff is taking months to years to re-implement (shut
>    down).

Nonsense. Shutdown has always been implemented. It just got presented
differently.

>  * Gnome 3 is going the I-know-better-then-you-what's-good-for-you
>    way.

Sure by giving you an extension system that allows you to do whatever
you want with the desktop ....

>    That's one of the reasons why many of us are using linux than
>    windows -- because it traditionally *does not* do so. Randomly
>    breaking things with messages like (oops, something went wrong,
>    please try again) or things behaving unpredictably is *not* the
>    linux way.

Strawman.

>  * We think Gnome 3 is doing similar type of mistake as Windows 8.

GNOME3 has nothing to do with windows 8 other than both work better on
touch devices then previous releases .... supporting new hardware
isn't really a bad thing imo.

>  * We believe that due to the differences between Gnome 2 and Gnome 3,
>    many users left Fedora during the switch.

[citation needed].

Anecdotes do not count (there are user that switched to Fedora because
they wanted a good GNOME 3 experience).

>  * gnome devs are systematically removing features many former gnome
>    users thought were useful, and sometimes adding them back again
>    after a year or so of complains. We perceive that as devs doing
>    whatever they wont and ignoring the real users in favour of some
>    imaginary ones.
>  * huge overuse of symbolic icons (this includes the new anaconda)

That's a problem why exactly? Actually it is the opposite ... stuff
looks way better and polished if you compare it to the GNOME2.