Improving the Fedora boot experience -> no plymouth!

[Dan Mashal]

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net> wrote:
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> Am 12.03.2013 15:37, schrieb Dan Mashal:
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net> wrote:
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>>> Am 12.03.2013 13:52, schrieb Nicolas Mailhot:
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>>>> Le Mar 12 mars 2013 13:30, Fabian Deutsch a écrit :
>>>>>> Von: Máirín Duffy
>>>>>> On 03/11/2013 05:13 PM, seth vidal wrote:
>>>>>>> Is one line of text really that significant of a problem to present?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure it is because of where we are in the process at that
>>>>>> point. For example, translations - can we render Indic or CJK glyphs to
>>>>>> the screen at this point in the boot process? I'm not quite sure that's
>>>>>> possible? Another thing with translations is they take up additional
>>>>>> disk space and I think (don't quote me on this, maybe Peter or one of
>>>>>> the other grub experts could speak up) grub2 is a bit chubby compared to
>>>>>> grub, but its space usage is a concern so to not have to have all the
>>>>>> translation files for the languages we support would definitely be good.
>>>>>> (grub2's girth is one of the reasons - on upstream's recommendation -
>>>>>> that we don't allow installing the bootloader to a partition now.)
>>>>>
>>>>> What about pulling the message stuff into plymouth and using dracut to
>>>>> trigger a reboot which shows the grub menu? Something along the lines:
>>>>> "Press ESC to see deatils or 'b' to enter the bootloader"
>>>>
>>>> Plymouth is not a mandatory boot process element right now, precisely
>>>> because people who cared about fast boot found it unnecessary, and people
>>>> who cared about maintainability also found it got in the way. Please do
>>>> not advocate hardwiring it again
>>>
>>> plymouth is a no-go as requirement
>>>
>>> "rd.plymouth=0 plymouth.enable=0" are my first kernel params on a lot of machines
>>>
>>> [root at srv-rhsoft:~]$ cat /etc/dracut.conf.d/90-plymouth.conf
>>> omit_dracutmodules+="plymouth"
>>>
>>> is present on ANY machine i maintain
>>>
>>> the only thing i want on a machine is:
>>> * no graphical stuff at boot time, not any of it
>>> * no submenus in the boot-menu
>>> * the kernel list dispalyed for 1 second
>>> * no rhgb
>>> * no quiet
>>>
>>> why?
>>>
>>> because i want to see what me system does if i look how it
>>> boots up within 15 seconds and i want to face ANY possible
>>> warning nobody cares especially after a upgrade
>>
>> Fedora boot process MUST look pretty!
>
> says who?
> AND WHAT IS UGLY IN A KERNEL-MENU?
>
> the only thing to which this new shiny attitude
> hide anything from the users will lead is that
> the next generation of users stay dumb beginners
>
> who will answer the questions here in 10 years?
>

I was joking. :)

You can always yum remove plymouth.

In fact we were even *gasp* looking at replacing plymouth with our own
theme for laughs.

Dan