Improving the Fedora boot experience -> no plymouth!

[Reindl Harald]

Am 12.03.2013 15:37, schrieb Dan Mashal:
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Am 12.03.2013 13:52, schrieb Nicolas Mailhot:
>>>
>>> Le Mar 12 mars 2013 13:30, Fabian Deutsch a écrit :
>>>>> Von: Máirín Duffy
>>>>> On 03/11/2013 05:13 PM, seth vidal wrote:
>>>>>> Is one line of text really that significant of a problem to present?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm pretty sure it is because of where we are in the process at that
>>>>> point. For example, translations - can we render Indic or CJK glyphs to
>>>>> the screen at this point in the boot process? I'm not quite sure that's
>>>>> possible? Another thing with translations is they take up additional
>>>>> disk space and I think (don't quote me on this, maybe Peter or one of
>>>>> the other grub experts could speak up) grub2 is a bit chubby compared to
>>>>> grub, but its space usage is a concern so to not have to have all the
>>>>> translation files for the languages we support would definitely be good.
>>>>> (grub2's girth is one of the reasons - on upstream's recommendation -
>>>>> that we don't allow installing the bootloader to a partition now.)
>>>>
>>>> What about pulling the message stuff into plymouth and using dracut to
>>>> trigger a reboot which shows the grub menu? Something along the lines:
>>>> "Press ESC to see deatils or 'b' to enter the bootloader"
>>>
>>> Plymouth is not a mandatory boot process element right now, precisely
>>> because people who cared about fast boot found it unnecessary, and people
>>> who cared about maintainability also found it got in the way. Please do
>>> not advocate hardwiring it again
>>
>> plymouth is a no-go as requirement
>>
>> "rd.plymouth=0 plymouth.enable=0" are my first kernel params on a lot of machines
>>
>> [root at srv-rhsoft:~]$ cat /etc/dracut.conf.d/90-plymouth.conf
>> omit_dracutmodules+="plymouth"
>>
>> is present on ANY machine i maintain
>>
>> the only thing i want on a machine is:
>> * no graphical stuff at boot time, not any of it
>> * no submenus in the boot-menu
>> * the kernel list dispalyed for 1 second
>> * no rhgb
>> * no quiet
>>
>> why?
>>
>> because i want to see what me system does if i look how it
>> boots up within 15 seconds and i want to face ANY possible
>> warning nobody cares especially after a upgrade
> 
> Fedora boot process MUST look pretty!

says who?
AND WHAT IS UGLY IN A KERNEL-MENU?

the only thing to which this new shiny attitude
hide anything from the users will lead is that
the next generation of users stay dumb beginners

who will answer the questions here in 10 years?

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