Improving the Fedora boot experience

[Brian Wheeler]

On 03/12/2013 02:03 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Mar 12, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Am 12.03.2013 17:32, schrieb Chris Murphy:
>>> On Mar 12, 2013, at 6:02 AM, Jiří Eischmann <eischmann at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> New kernels bring a lot of
>>>> regressions and we don't have enough test coverage to avoid them. The
>>>> general solution to those problems is to go back to the last working
>>>> kernel version. But by making it less obvious we make these frequent
>>>> problems more difficult to solve.
>>> This is completely specious. A user who considers falling back to an
>>> older kernel as a troubleshooting step also knows how this selection
>>> is made and where to go look for it
>> THIS IS WRONG
> Oh really?

Yes, it is wrong.  We're not talking about just new users here.  If 
you're going to hide how to select a different kernel, how am I, an 
experienced sysadmin supposed to figure it out when things go south?

F18 screwed my computer royally with regards to sleep & restore and I 
had to boot older kernels to get the machine stable.   As it stands, 
there were a list of kernels I chose the upper most one which didn't 
have problems...under what people are proposing I'd have to google it on 
some other machine or just mash the keyboard and hope I find something 
that gives me some options

I don't know why people are so enamored by making it difficult to 
troubleshoot problems.