Looking for new maintainer: ownCloud (Fedora / EPEL)

[Adam Williamson]

On September 3, 2015 9:50:35 AM PDT, Eric Griffith <egriffith92 at gmail.com> wrote:
>That's a shame. I run an owncloud instance for the family right now, I
>guess I'll be swapping it out for an upstream package. Is there
>anything
>you're aware of that I should watch for during the migration?
>On Sep 2, 2015 22:37, "Adam Williamson" <adamwill at fedoraproject.org>
>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2015-09-02 at 20:49 -0400, Eric Griffith wrote:
>>
>> > Adam have you gotten in touch with Upstream at all? Seen if maybe
>> > they can
>> > make changes on their end to make packaging any easier? I'm sure
>> > some parts
>> > of it are just a result of php being php, but you did mention
>> > bundling for
>> > part of it. Maybe they'd be willing to work with downstream
>> > packagers to
>> > get things in a better place?
>>
>> Extensively. They're reasonably willing to take changes that don't
>> make their primary deployment story (use the bundled-to-hell OBS
>> packages or use a bundled-to-hell container) any more complicated,
>but
>> that's about it. They're not willing to proactively work on it
>> themselves, and they won't take any changes that make the other
>> approach even marginally more complicated. They also don't really
>seem
>> to care much about trying to limit external dependency use or at
>least
>> only use dependencies with relatively sane versioning policies
>either;
>> they follow the typical PHP approach of 'throw libraries at the
>> problem till it goes away (and evolves into a much nastier problem)'.
>>
>> Viz that time they decided they wanted JavaScript minification, so
>> they threw this bunch of complete craziness into the source tree:
>> https://github.com/mrclay/minify (it's a giant bundle of minifiers
>and
>> web service minifier interfaces, including one notoriously not-
>> actually-F/OSS one, with no kind of sane maintenance practices
>> whatsoever). I'm still trying to finally get a PR which gets rid of
>> that thing and uses JSqueeze instead merged.
>>
>> "PHP" really is about 80% of the problem here. PHP as an ecosystem is
>> so heavily tied to bundling (particularly through Composer /
>> Packagist, which is explicitly designed around bundling), and has
>such
>> thoroughly entrenched traditions of terrible library development
>> practices, that it's very rare to find a significant PHP project that
>> even tries to be developed the 'right' way (wordpress and roundcube
>> are the best examples I can think of).
>> --
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You don't need to rush to do anything, several people have contacted me with interest in the package, and 7.x and 8.x are still in maintenance for some time yet. I just sent out updates to the latest minor releases a couple of days ago.
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