Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Fri, 2015-09-11 at 07:42 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2015-09-11 at 09:02 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > One can only tilt at windmills for so long before one's horse gives
> > out. This battle has been fought for years and while it has not
> > been
> > entirely fruitless, it's not yielding significant results
> 
> I think this rather undersells it, to be fair. I think that back
> before the emergence of large ecosystems where bundling was the norm,
> distro bundling policies probably *did* yield significant results -
> distros had more power then, the F/OSS ecosystem was smaller and
> easier to impose norms on.


Sorry, I was unclear. I do agree that once upon a time, this was
absolutely effective. I probably should have said something more along
the lines of what you did below; that the battlefield has changed and
our former tactics are no longer sufficient.



>  The problem we face now is that the world
> has changed and there are huge chunks of the F/OSS ecosystem which
> see
> bundling as just the way they do things; the problem with our current
> policy is it gives us no way to even reasonably consider what's an
> appropriate relationship with those ecosystems. All we can do is
> repeat the ~1995 mantra that the One True Way to work with Fedora is
> to turn your software into some nicely unbundled RPM packages, which
> is something they will just laugh out of court, and then we're
> effectively just not talking to each other at all.
> 
> I'd prefer us to have some kind of sensible relationship with those
> kinds of ecosystems - even if in the end it's simply to say 'the way
> you get this software on Fedora is to use their distribution
> mechanism', and our job is just to work with the ecosystem to make
> sure that works nicely on Fedora.
> -- 
> Adam Williamson
> Fedora QA Community Monkey
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