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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Get ready to watch this happen in the M$ world. XP service pack 2 is due to break</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>a lot of things because of the security patches (which is just about all of the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>service pack =P)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Ken</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> From: Steve Brenneis [<A HREF="mailto:sbrenneis@surry.net">mailto:sbrenneis@surry.net</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 11:13 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Subject: Re: Kernel Stack Sizes</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> On Wed, 2004-06-16 at 22:05, Peter Maas wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > I have downloaded the linuxant kernels and installed </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> them. The nVidia</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > drivers and ndiswrapper work after a fashion. However, I </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> just discovered</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > that the sound drivers in FC2 no longer work as well. As </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> much as I would</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > like to reap the benefits of the 2.6 kernel, heigh-ho </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> heigh-ho it's back</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > to FC1 I go. Or maybe I'll try Mandrake.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > Thanks for your time.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > This is not a Mandrake, Redhat, Fedora, Suse, etc issue </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> here, this is a,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > After vanilla kernel 2.6.6, 4K stacks are enforced, Linus </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> has spoken from on</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > high, the discussion about it being in the kernel is over. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> From this point</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > on its all about bugfixes, if you find a problem, notify </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> the person in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > charge of fixing it.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> I understand all of this on a philosophical level and from the kernel</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> purist point of view. I guess my point is that the most </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> beautiful kernel</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> in the world doesn't do anyone any good if it won't operate </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> the hardware</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> that is being supplied with most of the systems being sold </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> today. Isn't</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> it the responsibility of the distributions to provide a full O/S that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> functions on as many systems as possible? Red Hat has certainly never</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> been shy about distributing modified kernels before now. That </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> is more a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> matter of survival than of purity.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Another point: Linux has made great strides with the hardware </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> vendors. A</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> few short years ago, a company like nVidia would never have even</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> considered producing a Linux driver, binary or otherwise. Does it make</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> sense now to get up in their faces and say, in essence, "you </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> will now do</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> things to suit us?" Remember, they have little or no incentive to do</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> anything for Linux.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> I'm not advocating that Linux should dumb down for the masses </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> and end up</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> being just another M$ Windows, but I think it is a wise team that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> recognizes every user of their O/S is not interested in being a kernel</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> hacker. I have built my share of custom kernels to suit </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> arcane hardware</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> and I have even written some device drivers myself, but I don't have</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> time to do that constantly and neither do the majority of Linux users.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Just my $0.02.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> -- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Steve Brenneis <sbrenneis@surry.net></FONT>
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