On 20/04/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Will Woods</b> <<a href="mailto:wwoods@redhat.com">wwoods@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 20:09 +0100, Chris Brown wrote:<br>> Hi folks,<br>><br>> Following a discussion on whether to move to 2.6.21 for FC6, Dave<br>> Jone's made what I believe to be rather a good suggestion, namely
<br>> offering updates-testing as an option on first-boot - probably at the<br>> Additional CD's stage. Dave has suggested "Would you like to test<br>> experimental updates?". Possible caveat here.<br>
><br>> Now I realise _additional_ options at install is not possibly what<br>> people want but thought I'd punt it out seeing as we're all not doing<br>> anything important at the moment :) Pros and Cons:
<br>><br>> + Updates-testing gets advertised and used more for its intended<br>> purpose<br>> + We get a middle ground between rawhide and updates<br>> + We catch silly errors with packaging etc<br><br>I definitely want updates-testing to be easier to enable, but I don't
<br>think adding another firstboot stage is the answer.<br><br>It seems like a bad idea to ask everyone who installs Fedora "Hey, do<br>you want to test these experimental, possibly-broken updates?" I don't<br>
think most folks really want (or need) to be aware that updates-testing<br>exists.<br><br>On the other hand, with repoman[1] being available in F7, users will<br>have a simple one-click way to turn on updates-testing[2]. We just need
<br>to make sure we do a better job of telling people what it is and why<br>they might want to use it.<br><br>Probably it should be mentioned more prominently in the Testing pages<br>and on the Bug Reporting pages. Everyone should know that the first
<br>thing you do when you hit a bug is check updates-testing to see if<br>there's already a fix available.<br><br>-w<br><br>[1] <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/237170">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/237170</a><br>[2]
<a href="http://homepage.mac.com/wgwoods/fedora/screenshots/repoman.png">http://homepage.mac.com/wgwoods/fedora/screenshots/repoman.png</a><br><br></blockquote></div><br>The functionality itself looks good - is there any reason this is not being integrated into Pirut? This would seem the most sensible place to put this. Is it in the default install?
<br><br>The current situation with updates-testing is that bug fixes tend to get pushed straight into updates. Updates-testing gets little coverage so few devs or testers use it. Its a vicious circle. A cursory glance show some packages are over 5 months old.
<br><br>Chris<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><a href="http://www.chruz.com">http://www.chruz.com</a>