Quite a few of the older Loki games use OSS<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Jon Masters <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jonathan@jonmasters.org">jonathan@jonmasters.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d">On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 09:49 +0000, Bastien Nocera wrote:<br>
> On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 10:16 -0500, Jon Masters wrote:<br>
> > On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 10:22 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:<br>
> > > Warren Togami wrote:<br>
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</div><div class="Ih2E3d">> > > The problem with that is that they will continue saying "PulseAudio broke my<br>
> > > apps". If we just remove OSS sound support entirely, they won't have a<br>
> > > reason to blame PulseAudio anymore.<br>
> ><br>
> > I love that logic. And by love, I mean I really don't. PulseAudio is<br>
> > great, but there is a use case for OSS without PA in the loop still.<br>
><br>
> Where is there still a need for it? Apps that are still using OSS had<br>
> about 8 years to switch to ALSA, why do you think they'd be doing it<br>
> now?<br>
<br>
</div>I don't. That's the shocking thing about ABIs between kernel and<br>
userspace - we kind of guarantee them not to break randomly. I've got<br>
plenty of applications that don't use ALSA and never will (some of them<br>
from great Linux companies long since no longer with us) and yet it<br>
would be nice if we didn't just stop them from working on a whim. I'd<br>
much prefer to replace OSS support with e.g. the CUSE solution in a<br>
future Fedora instead.<br>
<br>
But like I said, I don't /really/ care that much. This is kind of a<br>
"won't somebody please think of the children" response I suppose.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> > And<br>
> > I fail to see why breaking those apps is a win - if you're that worried,<br>
> > pop up a notification to alert the user that something else has grabbed<br>
> > the audio device away.<br>
><br>
> Which apps? And please don't tell me "internal apps that I've never seen<br>
> actually running and that nobody told me about".<br>
<br>
</div>Old Linux games, lots of commercial stuff.<br>
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