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Hi,<br>
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Tshimbalanga <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:luya@fedoraproject.org"><luya@fedoraproject.org></a></b></i> wrote on
10/15/2010 6:06:10 AM +0350:</span><br>
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On 11/10/10 03:41 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
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I installed and played with Ubuntu 10.10 over the weekend (in a VM),
and I have to say that their installer is very smooth indeed. It's
starting to make anaconda look distinctly clunky.
Some of the things it does which are IMHO better:
- starts disk formatting / copying / installing in parallel
with asking user questions
- downloads updates in parallel too
- uses IP geolocation to guess the user's timezone and keyboard
settings (it's been 100% correct for me each time)
- suggests a username and hostname based on the user's real name
(Mac OS X's installer also does this -- it's a nice touch)
This is in contrast to anaconda (certainly from the live CD install)
which seems to be a usability no-go area.
Thoughts? Can we switch to their installer?
Rich.
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<pre wrap="">Looking at the installation and the documentation of Ubuntu 10.10, the
outside looks nice but the functionality is very lacking as pointed out
on many posts. AFAIK, Ubuntu installer does not have the ability to
customize installation for use needs as highlighted and can be only done
offline. I don't know if there are installer from live media that
provide more control about package to install other than extracting the
bundled applications.
What anaconda needs is more refinement and polishing as majority of
function are already in place (has the team solved issue about multiple
boot bug or recognition of other installed distributions>).
To answer the question: don't switch to that new installer.
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I completely agree. I've never heard any of the users who prefer
Ubuntu to complain about the mentioned problems with the Fedora's
installer. While those features are nice to have, but it's not hard
for users to live with them at all. The only thing that I've seen
that some (specially novice) users prefer about the Ubuntu installer
is the ability to install from the Windows environment and it's
ability to install Ubuntu "inside" a Windows partition without
requiring to change hard disks partitioning (IIRC the old RedHat had
this feature for sometime). <br>
I was also proud of Anaconda's features, and hardly against reducing
its feature set. Looking for new users should not make us forgetting
current Fedora users. There is some reason that the current Fedora
users has not switched to Ubuntu; but if you make things more and
more like Ubuntu the current users will look somewhere else to find
what they want.<br>
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For example, I do lots of Fedora installations, but I rarely do a
normal install. On my own ThinkPad X61 I use hard disk installation
(it doesn't have any DVD/CD drives), and for others I usually do an
HTTP install from my laptop. (Installing from live medias or BFO
installation methods are simply a No-Go for me because of the
required during-install or after-install bandwidth).<br>
Also, from time to time I do organize some competitions in which I
should install Linux on many systems, and so I do an HTTP install to
install in parallel. In my case, being able to do a hard disk
install from an NTFS partition (which worked fine in F13 but doesn't
work in F14, and it was never officially supported) is much much
more important (as I don't have any non-lvm ext partitions and FAT
partitions have been long gone from hard disks!) than the mentioned
features.<br>
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Another thing which hits me is being forced to customizing package
list always: if you select "Software Development" as the software
you need, you cannot select any other option in the new Anacondas;
and in its default selection there is no Office suits, no media
applications and even it doesn't select Eclipse (I wonder if most of
software developers do not use office and sound/video
applications!). So, I'm forced to customize the package selection. <br>
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IMHO, the features I mentioned provide more than a little faster
installation or guessing user's timezone.<br>
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Good luck,<br>
Hedayat<br>
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