<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Matthew Garrett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mjg59@srcf.ucam.org">mjg59@srcf.ucam.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 11:11:52PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:<br>
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Matthew Garrett <<a href="mailto:mjg59@srcf.ucam.org">mjg59@srcf.ucam.org</a>>wrote:<br>
</div><div class="im">> > It's certainly true that we could do more to identify ftbfs situations<br>
> > earlier, but we've had mass rebuilds in most recent releases. Random<br>
> > failures years down the line really aren't a realistic concern.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> I actually disagree. I've been working on rebuilding F-14 for the current<br>
> softfp arm platform that doesn't need to be boot strapped. The amount of<br>
> packages in Fedora 14 that don't compile on the main intel platform even if<br>
> I do a plain vanilla F-14 install with no updates (ie it was broken on<br>
> release and wasn't any better with any of the updates). There wasn't a mass<br>
> rebuild for F-14, just for perl and python dependencies.<br>
><br>
> Even with the F-15 mass rebuild I've found a number of packages that their<br>
> owners never bothered to fix the FTBFS that was a result of the F-15 mass<br>
> rebuild that have caused me problems that I've had to fix because the owner<br>
> of the package never bothered to fix the FTBFS.<br>
<br>
</div>Finding that something that didn't build, hasn't been changed and still<br>
doesn't build isn't terribly random :) We could do better, but<br>
introducing more mass rebuilds as part of the release cycle isn't going<br>
to make things significantly better when we're already failing to deal<br>
with the fallout from the mass rebuilds we *do* carry out. Fixing this<br>
is a process issue rather than one that's fixed by having FESCO mandate<br>
a mass rebuild after every change that could conceivably cause breakage.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br>If a mass rebuild causes breakage its a problem which ever way you look at it, the package will eventually be rebuilt and cause the breakage, in my opinion your better off doing that in a controlled manner rather than sweeping it under the carpet and hoping no one will notice.<br>
<br>Peter <br></div></div><br>