<p>Hey Dan,</p>
<p>In all the given distributions in your post, is there one that you prefer more than the others?</p>
<p>Richard</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 8, 2012 1:25 PM, "Dan Mashal" <<a href="mailto:dan.mashal@gmail.com">dan.mashal@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Kevin,<br>
<br>
This is great and is exactly what I was talking about.<br>
<br>
Michael,<br>
<br>
For the record, yes I run rawhide.<br>
<br>
I have Fedora 14,16,17,18 and 19 running here.<br>
<br>
Dan<br>
<br>
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Subject: [rawhide] (was Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant))<br>
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 17:31:54 +0100<br>
Michael Scherer <<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
...snip...<br>
<br>
> in fact speaking of more testing in rawhide, do you run rawhide ?<br>
> If not, maybe that's something that is part of the problem, and the<br>
> first step to a solution. IE, someone should volunteer, and get enough<br>
> feedback on why people in the fedora community do not run rawhide.<br>
> Once the problems are identified ( even roughly ), then the next step<br>
> to correct them could be found.<br>
><br>
> If the issue "people tell me to not do it", then we should change the<br>
> message. If the issue is "I did it but this $class_of_bug made me lose<br>
> months of work", then we should find a way to prevent $class_of_bug,<br>
> and make it know. And so on.<br>
><br>
> But just saying "more tests should be done on rawhide" doesn't make<br>
> them happen. You cannot force people to run rawhide.<br>
<br>
...snip...<br>
<br>
Just to highlight this... I intend to switch my laptop to rawhide and run it<br>
and try and gather a like minded group of people to fix things as they break<br>
faster and work on making rawhide more day to day consumable. I'll likely do<br>
this switch over the holidays.<br>
<br>
I'd like to continue to use this list for this effort (with the idea that<br>
increasing signal here would be welcome).<br>
<br>
Some random ideas:<br>
<br>
Create a 'serious rawhide regression tracking bug'. Anyone can nominate bugs<br>
to get added to that and we have a pool of people watching it who can fix or<br>
nag maintainers to fix such issues as a higher priority. We would need to<br>
come up with some critera for acceptance there.<br>
<br>
Help improve autoqa efforts around rawhide and see if we can prevent broken<br>
packages from even promoting into the collection.<br>
<br>
Note directly rawhide related discussion on this list with a [rawhide] so<br>
people can easily pick out workarounds and discussions on day to day rawhide<br>
bugs.<br>
<br>
Try to give maintainers feedback when they push something to rawhide that<br>
doesn't work at all, and help untag builds identified that do this before<br>
they go out in the next compose.<br>
<br>
Other ideas welcome.<br>
<br>
kevin<br>
<br>
<br>
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