<tt><font size=2>> From: Kevin Fenzi <kevin@scrye.com></font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>> To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>> Date: 05/13/2013 13:51</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>> Subject: Re: [Fedora-spins] Where are the remaining
F19 spins?</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>> Sent by: devel-bounces@lists.fedoraproject.org</font></tt>
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> On Mon, 13 May 2013 13:24:26 -0400<br>
> John.Florian@dart.biz wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > > From: Dennis Gilmore <dennis@ausil.us><br>
> > > Perhaps the question we really need to ask is how should
we deploy<br>
> > > and install Fedora, Which is not something we can change
or solve<br>
> > > for f19 or probably even f20. An idea that comes to
mind is to<br>
> > > have package selections and post install config tasks ship
as<br>
> > > kickstart snippets with the DVD. we then use grub/syslinux
to<br>
> > > present a menu to the users to have different frameworks
that<br>
> > > resemble the spins the kickstart is fed to anaconda then
at boot<br>
> > > time or anaconda gives you the option to select them. <br>
> > <br>
> > I think the Fedora Formulas that Kevin proposed are the ideal<br>
> > replacement for spins.<br>
> > </font></tt><a href=https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_formulas><tt><font size=2>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_formulas</font></tt></a><tt><font size=2><br>
> <br>
> Sadly, I don't think so. <br>
> <br>
> They are cool and useful and worth persuing (If I can find some time<br>
> to), but I don't think they can completely replace spins. <br>
> <br>
> Some uses of spins that don't map well to formulas: <br>
> <br>
> * Security lab spin being used to examine compromised images. You
want<br>
> your thing to be a read only medium. <br>
> <br>
> * Desktops browsing. You may well want to boot the LXDE spin and play<br>
> around with it and decide it's not for you and move on without<br>
> installing anything. Of course you could install, test and
remove,<br>
> but some people prefer to decide up front. <br>
> <br>
> * Base thing to run formulas on. You need some desktop/install/media<br>
> whatever to run the formulas on, so you always need some way
to do<br>
> that initial install. <br>
> <br>
> * Taking a live image and booting 20 lab machines so you can run a<br>
> class, then shut down and no changes were made to the machines.
<br>
> <br>
> (There's probibly others). <br>
> <br>
> kevin<br>
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<br><tt><font size=2>Those are good counter-examples, especially the first.
The others though leave me less convinced given what I've been doing
here for the last few years which is to take a customized Fedora Live spin
with stateless Linux features enabled, plus puppet (considering switching
to ansible), plus a little glue to make custom appliances where networked
resources dictate the various roles those appliances play ranging from
kiosks to firewalls.</font></tt>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
--<br>
John Florian</font>
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