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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/15/2013 10:55 AM, Dan Fruehauf
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<div>+1 - same here. You're far from being alone.<br>
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<div>I'm still trying to get used to the new systemd in Fedora
and still trying to think why I need it. Altogether for my day
to day use I find it as added complexity with no real benefit
cerca f15.<br>
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<div>Unix/Linux for me is the simplicity of text files. If I
lose the simplicity of text files I just wonder what is left
for me? A bunch of vague files in a binary format I need
complex tools to decipher? Might as well just install win7
and utilize my gfx card.<br>
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<div>Same happened to me when I moved from being a big fan of
KDE to LXDE. Why is that? KDE became just too heavy, too much
**** I just didn't need. LXDE just lets me open a terminal, a
web browser, a music player and get my **** done with.<br>
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<div>A change like that is something probably the ubuntu
community would like to adopt. A change that would just give
me yet another reason to not use ubuntu. Linux is text files.
It's grep, sed, bash, awk and all the other amazing text
manipulation utilities we have.<br>
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<div>A change like that might actually make me move away from
Fedora after being loyal to it for as long as it existed. And
I know I will not be alone.<br>
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<div>Lets try to keep things simple. This is why we use Fedora.
This is why I use Fedora.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 7:11 PM,
Miroslav Suchý <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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07/15/2013 10:44 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:<br>
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= Proposed System Wide Change: No Default Syslog =<br>
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Change owner(s): Lennart Poettering <lennart at
poettering net>, Matthew<br>
Miller <mattdm at fedoraproject org><br>
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No longer install a traditional syslog service by default.
(Specifically,<br>
remove rsyslog from the @core or @standard groups in
comps.)<br>
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The systemd journal will be the default logging solution.
Rsyslog, Syslog-NG,<br>
and even traditional sysklogd will continue to cover use
cases outside of the<br>
default.<br>
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My voice may be one of thousands, but I'm saying: I want to
have traditional syslog service as default and have journal
from systemd as option.<span class="HOEnZb"><font
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-- <br>
Miroslav Suchy<br>
Red Hat, Software Engineer<br>
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+1 for me too.<br>
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