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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/23/2013 09:11 PM, Stephen
Gallagher wrote:<br>
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For the record, I'd like you to have a look at basically any
community-reported bug in the 'sssd' component of BZ or
community-submitted patches on the sssd-devel list. That's a project
comprised nearly entirely of Red Hat employees.[1]
You may notice that our *first* reaction to anyone contributing a
patch or a bug is to say "Thank you!". I find your assertion that all
Red Hatters are aloof or ungracious to be quite insulting.</pre>
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As it is to me insulting from those that dont and as you are well
aware of who Harald is then it's quite obvious I did not mean "all"
while he claimed all Red Hat employees had good effects on the
project.<br>
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The fact is we *all* need to improve our thanking to each other.<br>
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communities, there are people with different personalities. I'd argue
that in general, the level of polite discourse seen on the Fedora
devel@ list is *significantly* higher than that on the Linux kernel
mailing list.
On the other hand, we do still have our share of individuals whose
primary contribution appears to be belittling the efforts of other
contributors to no obvious purpose. You are not alone in this, but you
are a contributor to this problem.</pre>
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Which is no surprise really since I treat people as people treat me.
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I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but not everyone will always
agree with you. </pre>
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I'm perfectly well aware that not everyone will agree to me nor will
I to them that's one of the things which makes us unique.<br>
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<pre wrap="">There will be times in this community that people will
have different opinions. It's most certainly not limited to Red Hatters.</pre>
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And that works both ways.<br>
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I would very much like to know how you would expect Fedora to function
in any way similarly to how it does now without the backing of one or
more organizations like Red Hat.</pre>
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Through donations. <br>
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Like I said above, not everyone agrees all the time, and certainly not
even inside Red Hat. Every once in a while, someone like you shows up
with the assertion that everyone at Red Hat is conspiring together to
force Fedora in a particular direction. If you could see our internal
mailing lists, you would realize how laughable that is.
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I dont have access to those mailinglist I however did witness a bit
wake call within Red Hat regarding systemd when I was in BRNO which
details I choose to leave out but most definitely asserts what you
say there but as I have said before I'm against to strong corporate
foothold in the project, that corporate foothold just happens to be
Red Hat so we as a community should be working slowly but surely to
stand entirely on our own two feets and be able to let go of the
hand because as you clearly pointed out Red Hat is so heavily
invested everywhere in the project that if it and then when it
decides to let go ( which is always a risk with companies ) we
currently dont have any legs to stand on and I very much like us
being prepare and be able to land on our two feet's if and when that
time comes and be one of the direction we should be taking as a
project.<br>
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And accusing me being on some kind of witch hunt against all Red Hat
employees is just laughable because I got nothing but good to say
about every and I mean every Red Hat employee I meet in BRNO and was
surprised even how well some of them handled our shark but there are
some that I dont like since they repeatedly stand in the way for me
itching my scratch and fix things even allowing me to work into our
advantage and probably plethora that dont like me then again I'm not
an individual that participates in<em> </em>beauty pageants <span
class="st"><em></em></span> or popularity contests so that's kinda
to be expected. <br>
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JBG<br>
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