<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 January 2014 11:48, Josh Boyer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwboyer@fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">jwboyer@fedoraproject.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Tom Hughes <<a href="mailto:tom@compton.nu" target="_blank">tom@compton.nu</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Personally I think a lot of it has to do with the way the whole thing seemed<br>
> to be a fait accompli such that there seemed to be little point doing<br>
> anything other than sitting back and seeing what happened.<br>
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> You know, the way one minute it was just a suggestion from one member of the<br>
> community and the next minute it was all decided and people were busy<br>
> forming working groups to sort out the details. Apparently that miraculous<br>
> transition happened at Flock, but for anybody that wasn't there it was as if<br>
> it was a god given edict that had been handed down on tablets of stone that<br>
> Fedora.next was happening and we should all just be good little children and<br>
> get on with it.<br>
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</div>There _was_ a lot that was discussed and presented at Flock. It's<br>
kind of the purpose of Flock (and FUDCon before that). Get people<br>
together to have big discussions in a high bandwith fashion. And yes,<br>
that can mean that those not in attendance are left to catch up a bit<br>
(though at least with Flock we tried to stream all the sessions to<br>
help with that).<br>
<br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">However, it wasn't decided at Flock. It was presented after Flock to<br>
FESCo, in the normal, online FESCo meetings. It went further from<br>
there to the Board via the usual channels. All of this was done as<br>
any other proposal would normally be handled. Perhaps the only<br>
unusual thing was the relative lack of debate and delay.<br>
<div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>My view of the matter was pretty much the same as Tom's and I was at FLOCK. The language at the sessions I attended was not one of "We would like to do this" but that it was a done thing. I realize a lot of that is the 'get shit done because we are all together' mentality which comes from conferences but by the time I left FLOCK I was pretty sure this was all done and either get in the boat or get out. I wasn't even aware of the FESCO items until this email as I figured it had been done and decided at FLOCK.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Fedora.NEXT became irrelevant to me when I realized the committees were mostly hand-chosen versus elected like FESCO. I realize that was to get stuff done versus having a bunch of bureaucratci elections, but it snuffed whatever 'joy' I was going to have to participate in as a 'non-voting' member of a committee. The best way for me to allow the people to get work they wanted to get done was to get out of the way, and so I have. Now that I am asked why I am not enthused, I am explaining.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr">Stephen J Smoogen.<br><br></div>
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