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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/24/2014 06:50 PM, Stephen John
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 24 March 2014 12:18, Lennart
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It's a pity though that nobody in Fedora is actively
working on getting<br>
rid of legacy cruft. I really wished we had some people
who oversee<br>
deprecating things more proactively, figure out how to
deprecate things,<br>
write stub code to provide smooth transitions, write
release notes and<br>
so on. Being at the bleeding edge of things also means
deciding that<br>
some things really should go, from time to time... Besides
deprecating<br>
old cruft like libwrap, this would also mean removing all
the old crap<br>
from comps "standard" that we still install by default
(894110)...<br>
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<div>Old cruft is in the OS because for some set of people
it is useful, and it is very hard to design around stuff
people think should be there because it was there before.
The only way to get around that is to build something
completely new with a different 'brand' which does not
have expectations from people already there. I think you
would have a better chance starting from a ground zero and
putting new wine in a new winesack versus trying to put it
in an old one and then wondering why it keeps bursting.</div>
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It has been tried and tested and the people that suggested that ( me
in particular in relation with the serverWG ) got burned on the
stakes, accused wanting to "fork" Fedora for suggesting just that as
in cleaning and implementing the output from that work in a
separated repository's under a new brand until we were confident
enough to with that effort and drop replace Fedora as we know it
with that effort.<br>
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The fact is there is a lot of legacy cruff we should be removing as
well as doing other necessary cleanups to make Fedora agile again
for the upcoming changes in the IT industry landscape.<br>
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But certain people seem to rather want to drown Fedora in
bureaucracy and vague future proposals and working groups instead of
doing what needs to be done.<br>
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JBG<br>
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