<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2014-04-21 17:56 GMT+02:00 Eric H. Christensen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sparks@fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">sparks@fedoraproject.org</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 08:36:55AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:<br>
> ...I'd<br>
<div class="">> like to suggest a fifth Foundation, one to ultimately supersede all<br>
> the rest: "Functional".<br>
<br>
</div>I think anytime anyone suggests a new foundation that supersedes all of what the project and community has stood for for many years then they are doing it wrong.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well... I'd <i>much</i> rather have a honest discussion about the values like this than just committing code without any discussions, and then arguing that "we've been doing this for years at a small scale so it's fine to do it on larger scale". These things <i>should</i> be discussed mostly top-down, not bottom-up.<br>
<br></div><div>And the recet-ish discussions have revealed that the practice and the literal wording of the foundations <i>has</i> slightly diverged over time (both First, and, at least in your view, WRT Google search, Freedom), so revisiting, re-discussing, and re-affirming might be in order.<br>
</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I mean, Fedora has traditionally been very strong in upholding the values of FOSS. We live it, feed it, and use it. Does this mean that Fedora isn't always great when dealing with proprietary solutions later on (like Flash)? Sure, but that also means that there is more of a push to get FOSS solutions in place that remedy those issues. Fedora has never forebade a user to install third-party software (proprietary or otherwise) after the fact. The fact that many (most?) users don't have to do such things is a testiment to how well FOSS has been developed and meets the needs of our users.<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I find it difficult to believe that "most users" [don't have Flash installed]. AFAIK there is no data to say either way, and anecdotal evidence from around here isn't supportive.<br>
</div><div> Mirek<br></div></div></div></div>